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#101

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

I wonder if clues like this will be what are written in history books as the beginning of the bubble bursting.

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Dario tells the truth. If you look at everything through their safe AGI mission it all makes sense. They are not bs'ing about that. Also I think most people just read headlines or 10 second clips and make false extrapolations from there. (BTW Anthropic only exists because Sam Altman is a liar, Dario admitted this.)

> If you look at everything through their safe AGI mission it all makes sense. Except for, you know, all the outside investors and the forthcoming IPO.

A no-investment policy would take them off the scene entirely. Essentially handing over the reins to OpenAI, Google, and others. Their position is something close to "if I don't do it, someone worse will".

Related: https://80000hours.org/2012/03/the-replaceability-effect-wor...

There's a more nuanced discussion that could be had about how to balance relevance with outside influence. But at a foundational level it should be acknowledged that the tradeoff exists, and that receiving outside investment can't alone be seen as evidence of corruption.

Besides that, there's more that can be said about other things like their corporate structure or the degree to which they accelerated the AI race.

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https://archive.ph/NEwVz "However, these inference optimizations, which rival Anthropic refers to as “compute multipliers,” are a big focus for all the labs. Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has been publicly talking about the concept since at least mid-2023, when he said on a podcast that the company limits “the number of people who are aware of a given compute multiplier” because it could give other AI labs a leg up if t…

> He sure did seem to speed run the 'tech leader with scruples' to 'tech villain' path! What kind of rosy-eyed chump believes in the "tech leader with scruples" bullshit? It always lies. Did some people just ignore Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook's sociopathy, somehow? Did anyone buy into their "privacy is a human right" nonsense?

Zuckerberg never had scruples, and everyone knew that from the start.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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> Collaboration and benefit for all should always be the primary motivator. Of all the things to never happen, this is never going to happen the most. That train left the station for good once hundreds of billions to trillions of dollars were involved. On the bright side, in the long run I suspect the vast majority of the value of AI will not be captured by the model making labs and the vast investments in them are g…

implode, how?

They're in a price war with the People's Republic of China running flat out with the full backing of a government that literally does not care if they ever see a financial return on the investment, they just want to drive the value of LLM training and inference to zero because we banked the market on it being arbitrarily high margin forever. China was like hold my beer.

They have a staggering surplus of grid capacity and can bring more online without any difficulty. We couldn't get a serious nuclear project done if Jeffrey Epstein was offering private flights to the ribbon cutting.

In the United States at any given time more than half of the FLOPs are badly misallocated, Meta has like, a double digit percentage of the total capacity going down the drain every day and has for years. That's a conspicuous example but on OpenRouter rankings it's rare to see more than one or two American vendors in the top 10, sometimes the top 20. But 3rd, 4th, and 5th place are all merrily burning half the compute duplicating effort and missing key innovations because we stopped publishing real results. In China if DeepSeek makes a breakthrough it's at Zhupai and Moonshot and MiniMax and MiMo and Qwen that week.

Our only lever, export restrictions, seems to do nothing but breed multiply antibiotic resistant super hackers who just get more efficient and immediately propagate all of those efficiencies to the rest of the Chinese AI industry.

At the beginning of 2026 there was one Chinese lab with a model that had any real relevance fielding modern tool users. Today in July there are like, eight lagging the absolute frontier by maybe 3-6 months. Barring some massive bend in some curve 3-4 of the top 5 and 6-8 of the top 10 will be Chinese and open weight by January.

The great irony in all of this is that our current playbook is straight out of the 1960s USSR, and the PRC's current playbook is straight out of 1960s USA. We're the ones with the opaque decision making and gross resource misallocation driven by the personal agendas of a shadowy cabal of frenemies wired back channel into government in the form of the individuals rather than the offices. They're the ones with a thriving marketplace of ideas powered by robust public/private partnership and a paved path running bidirectionally to the university system.

It's going to implode because the Kruschev system does. Theirs is going to thrive because the Kennedy system puts a man on the moon before the decade is out.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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This is why I don't think Fable will be taken away. Not for long anyway.

Still avialable through the API. According to people that have tried both Fable nad 5.6, Fable is clearly better at coding. So i expect a lot of people to pay extra for it.

Who is going to pay API prices for using Claude? I don't know one single company. It's not gonna happen.

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Wow, I hadn't heard of this! const audits = await pipeline(found.files, file => agent(`Audit ${file} for missing authentication checks.`, { label: file }), ) I asked Claude in the browser if it could do anything like that. It wrote a little frontend app that calls the Anthropic API (with fetch()), without including a key. I expected that to fail, but it worked! Apparently in the web chat (and also in Claude Code?[0]…

I feel like it's not crazy to run Javascript in the browser... We've come so far I almost forgot where it all started.

Per latest available data, point of origin traces back approximately 13.8 billion years to a singular event designated "Big Bang". YMMV

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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I really suspect that the models are basically the same below, it’s all in the prompt. The way I use them, surgically, they seem to perform about the same. Fable certainly hasn’t blow my socks off.

Where fable has blown me away is converting entire code bases and or refactoring across many different segments. It’s far more careful than opus and puts far more effort into testing and validating by default. Switching back to opus at work was a downgrade. Similar requests felt more clunky and needed far more hand holding.

Some of it feels boiled down to "opus works better when told not to be dumb, fable's prompt tells it not to be dumb."

If they know much of what the tool is used for, they can customize prompts to "do that usage right" even if the user doesn't know exactly how to ask for it.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

#109

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

I wonder if clues like this will be what are written in history books as the beginning of the bubble bursting.

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

#110

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

I wonder if clues like this will be what are written in history books as the beginning of the bubble bursting.

I don't think that people relying on the tools too much is the first sign I would identify to mean the bubble is popping
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