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Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by satvikpendem »

hatefulheart wrote: post #327
m00x wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agentic coding is absolutely not a failure. It's just not the 10x that CEOs really wanted it to be. We learned that some tasks don't really benefit from AI while others do. My team went from 7 people to 2 (went to new teams, no layoffs), and we're doing the same amount if not more work than we used to. Is it more draining and lacking of focused work? Yes. Is it more money for the business? Yes.

Friend, you are commenting on a thread where one of the most prominent figures in tech (rightly or wrongly) is saying something did not meet expectations. As far as we can tell this is a man with every incentive to exaggerate and boost these products. In my world, when something is expensive and doesn’t meet expectations it called a failure. Especially when something has been as hyped, scrutinized, defended and attac…

Why would Zuckerberg want to boost their AI, they have none to speak of after Llama really? Zuckerberg actually has every expectation to downplay AI so as to save face that Llama failed compared to frontier models.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by argee »

steveBK123 wrote: post #177
steveBK123 wrote: post #172

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This to me is the big leap from being good at coding to being good at many other tasks. Coding could be treated as a low stakes (time & money consequences for retries) closed loop system where most other tasks cannot. If it screws up booking your flight/hotel room, how does the agent verify this, and even if it verifies.. there is an actual cost to changes/cancellations. Similar with agentic e-commerce, lots of abili…

To reply to myself here.. I can STILL replicate this behavior in Google AI summaries 10% of the time: "is ok for cats" to which it replies: "Yes, is toxic for cats" The other one going around this weekend: "how long hot dogs on grill" Summary: "The hot dogs on your grill are likely around 5-6 inches long .. " So scale this category of error to unsupervised agents with access to your credit card.

This repros nearly 100% of the time on most LLMs, even the most advanced ones: https://share.gemini.google/u9NwYu7lbgxe

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by vrganj »

segmondy wrote: post #11

The failure that is llama4 needs to be studied. Meta was kicking ass with llama3.x and then something happened, something really went wrong. what happened between that time and llama4? I think it happened after llama3.1, llama3.2 was nothing to write home about. We need the gossips, maybe a book

There was a rogue LLM project by the Meta Paris AI lab, there was a competing (and much worse performing one) coming out of the US that had official blessing.

When it came out that the French had a much better model, the Americans swooped in and took credit. This is was the beginning of llama.

The Frenchies were predictably pissed and left Meta over the next few years, as RSUs vested.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by uniclaude »

SwellJoe wrote: post #319

Zuckerberg is proof you only need to get really lucky once. He's basically flailed at leading facebook ever since, going all in on monumentally dumb bets and erratically making headcount and project decisions, and still he somehow keeps getting richer.

Even if only for how well Instagram and WhatsApp were managed post acquisition, your message doesn’t hold up.

Most large tech companies buy late and struggle to integrate the products and teams they acquire without creating massive damage. He didn’t. Twice.

I am quite far from a fan of what he brought to the world (privacy nightmares), but to say that he’s a proof you only need to get lucky once is quite far off.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by hatefulheart »

satvikpendem wrote: post #351
hatefulheart wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Friend, you are commenting on a thread where one of the most prominent figures in tech (rightly or wrongly) is saying something did not meet expectations. As far as we can tell this is a man with every incentive to exaggerate and boost these products. In my world, when something is expensive and doesn’t meet expectations it called a failure. Especially when something has been as hyped, scrutinized, defended and attac…

Why would Zuckerberg want to boost their AI, they have none to speak of after Llama really? Zuckerberg actually has every expectation to downplay AI so as to save face that Llama failed compared to frontier models.

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Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by tidbits »

Izkata wrote: post #218
zamalek wrote: post #143

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> Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. Ignoring instructions - whether in AGENTS.md or my prompt - is the worst of it, and it routinely happens. It just waives things that I explicitly told it to do as part of the design. Vibe coders (in the true sense, zero oversight) claim that you just need to prompt it carefully. That's completely untrue when faced with your…

> that I explicitly told it Try writing it in first person instead of second person or neutral. A while ago someone had a similar complaint on here and shared some example lines, and that popped out at me immediately. However much structure we've wrapped these in, they're still text generators trained on all sorts of things, and if you think about a narrative where first and second person speech would be used, try to…

Do you have a link to the previous comment?

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by roysting »

SwellJoe wrote: post #319

Zuckerberg is proof you only need to get really lucky once. He's basically flailed at leading facebook ever since, going all in on monumentally dumb bets and erratically making headcount and project decisions, and still he somehow keeps getting richer.

He’s got that Epstein class luck

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by Kudos »

hatefulheart wrote: post #327
m00x wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agentic coding is absolutely not a failure. It's just not the 10x that CEOs really wanted it to be. We learned that some tasks don't really benefit from AI while others do. My team went from 7 people to 2 (went to new teams, no layoffs), and we're doing the same amount if not more work than we used to. Is it more draining and lacking of focused work? Yes. Is it more money for the business? Yes.

Friend, you are commenting on a thread where one of the most prominent figures in tech (rightly or wrongly) is saying something did not meet expectations. As far as we can tell this is a man with every incentive to exaggerate and boost these products. In my world, when something is expensive and doesn’t meet expectations it called a failure. Especially when something has been as hyped, scrutinized, defended and attac…

Why are you assuming Zuck's expectations for progress of _his_ product have anything to do with the impact of that category of product for its users?

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Post by apsurd »

eloisant wrote: post #335
Kevcmk wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like Zuckerberg at all but Instagram and WhatsApp purchases were _very_ good calls

They spied on their mobile users with the Facebook app to detect Instagram and WhatsApp growth early

corporate espionage at global scale to get ahead of existential threats is some pretty insightful leadership, it’s all a matter of what team you’re rooting for.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by earthnail »

bayarearefugee wrote: post #348
Kevcmk wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like Zuckerberg at all but Instagram and WhatsApp purchases were _very_ good calls

Sure, they worked out pretty well, but those were 12 and 14 years ago at this point, and aren't the only calls Facebook has made over the years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio... IMO the actual prescient call he made early on is to hang on to 60% of the total voting power of the company. I have to imagine there are several points where he'd have been pushed out quite a while ago if he ha…

But if you take the same perspective as a VC: 95% of your bets can fail if the other 5% are spectacular.

He made spectacular bets with Instagram and WhatsApp. Most CEOs don’t make spectacular bets because their business doesn’t allow it, meaning the VC analogy doesn’t hold for them.

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