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Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by detourdog »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #77
yepyoukno wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or some fuzzy yet inevitably reliable shit. The modern trend is to think intelligence is generative “like compression” or “predicting next in sequence” rather than iteratively reducing uncertainty, like those fault tolerant humans.

Compression can be defined as reducing uncertainty. If you can predict the next sequence you can compress it to 0 bytes using arithmetic coding. Reliable prediction is what enables compression and it's the link between compression and AI that everyone is talking about. No one ever in comp sci says artificial intelligence is "like compression", they correctly state that "artificial intelligence IS compression". It's a…

Compression in image, video, sound, and text. These items to compressed are all created by humans and we will say represented by files. The difference between an instant of reality and the files is vast. Reality also doesn’t stand still and each instant needs to be captured and interpreted before AI happens.

AI can be just like compression but currently the compute power is no match for details.

Finally these reality details need consideration in any successful implementation. Which means the implementator needs to be aware of the details and successfully relate them to everything else in the model.

I think anyone surprised by these things is not fully engaged with what they are doing.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by [deleted] »

orochimaaru wrote: post #120
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, i don't think it is the core problem. Meta doesn't seem to be able to produce anything close to a frontier model. The selling of compute capacity seems to be acceptance of "compute is wasted on this crappy avocado model, we'd be better off allowing something better to run". The problem is clearly in the model architecture, the training and the data fed into the model which is causing them to give up on using…

Does meta have the research talent to create a SOTA frontier model? Yann LeCun has left Meta and I don’t think either alexandr wang or zuck have enough credibility to attract talent to create one.

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Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by zamalek »

efficax wrote: post #115

I was worried this time last year that by this time this year, companies would have slashed their engineering teams down to a handful and everything would be driven by mostly autonomous agents with human guidance. But it just hasn't happened. Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I can produce more code than I used to…

> Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not.

Ignoring instructions - whether in AGENTS.md or my prompt - is the worst of it, and it routinely happens. It just waives things that I explicitly told it to do as part of the design.

Vibe coders (in the true sense, zero oversight) claim that you just need to prompt it carefully. That's completely untrue when faced with your careful prompt being ignored.

I even have "don't overrule me without asking" in my global AGENTS.md, and it simply doesn't do that.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by blitzar »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #112
ilaksh wrote: post #103

My instinct (for better or worse) is usually contrarian. Most people seem very skeptical of what Meta is doing with AI. But, what if, in a way at least, it makes sense? Maybe Wang has correctly identified that the programming and agentic ability that Anthropic and OpenAI models have has largely come from armies of software engineers creating massive datasets by writing out coding and agentic problems and solutions? S…

None of that makes sense. What's the end goal? Meta-specific engineering, with baked-in knowledge of how FB, Threads, and WhatsApp work? General and/or coding products to compete with Anthropic and OpenAI? Some special Magic Thing which only Meta can invent which will bedazzle Meta's users? You don't need giant datasets unless you know what you're going to do with them. OpAI and Anthropic are having enough issues mak…

Ai remains a solution looking for a problem.

Code autocomplete is a success, password reset via ai is a failure - everything else ... still busy tokenmaxxxing in search of a problem it fits into.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by mikebs1 »

Avicebron wrote: post #134
blcknight wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gulf is bridgeable. The problem is that a lot of people are building agents without strong enough judgment layers around them. Work that can be verified with reasonable accuracy are the sweet spot right now.

How many of these layers are just trying to rediscover/rebuild the idempotence of code?

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Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by supern0va »

efficax wrote: post #115

I was worried this time last year that by this time this year, companies would have slashed their engineering teams down to a handful and everything would be driven by mostly autonomous agents with human guidance. But it just hasn't happened. Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I can produce more code than I used to…

>I was worried this time last year that by this time this year, companies would have slashed their engineering teams down to a handful and everything would be driven by mostly autonomous agents with human guidance. But it just hasn't happened.

I find this somewhat puzzling. I thought things were moving quickly, but at this time last year I couldn't even get Claude (using Cursor) to spin me up a service skeleton that would compile, let alone do anything meaningful.

I know it feels like a long time somehow, but it was only between November and February that things started to actually somewhat work without significant hand holding. Even now, it seems like we're still figuring out how to fully leverage the current models and tooling, even in organizations that have largely gotten on board.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by Legend2440 »

natbennett wrote: post #144

This article is at least the sixth restatement of a single Reuters article that has been posted here.

Because it tells people something they desperately want to be true: AI will not take their jobs and CEOs will regret trying to do so.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by fatline »

orochimaaru wrote: post #120
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, i don't think it is the core problem. Meta doesn't seem to be able to produce anything close to a frontier model. The selling of compute capacity seems to be acceptance of "compute is wasted on this crappy avocado model, we'd be better off allowing something better to run". The problem is clearly in the model architecture, the training and the data fed into the model which is causing them to give up on using…

Does meta have the research talent to create a SOTA frontier model? Yann LeCun has left Meta and I don’t think either alexandr wang or zuck have enough credibility to attract talent to create one.

it's possible Yann LeCun wasn't the right guy either. He seemed to be more focused at finding the next model architecture rather than iterating on the current LLM architecture to build a competitive frontier model.
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