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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by cbg0 »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #149
chkmr wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you jest, but I'll bite. > Tf is sol? It's a proper noun: the name given to their latest and greatest model. Means "Sun" in Latin. Similar to how Anthropic has been naming its models Fable, Opus, Sonnet etc. Their other models are called Terra (Latin: Earth) and Luna (Latin: Moon) [0]. > Tf is ultra? The name of the "harness" around the model. It'll use deeper thinking, subagents and all that jazz in response t…

Of course I understand all this, but why the cuteness? Why not just say " 2 agent? > Something like GLM-4-32B-0414-128K (not made up [2]) doesn't quite roll off the tongue I suppose. Surely it would sell better though if they could communicate what they're selling? > Coding agent" similar to Claude Code [1], something with a more descriptive name. Does this really need branding at all? Surely claude should sell itsel…

It's a post on twitter, not a press release.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by satvikpendem »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #127

Bruh when did understanding chatbots become like following pokemon? Wtf does any of this this mean. Tf is sol? Tf is ultra? Tf is codex? Tf happened to descriptive nomenclature?

If you follow AI news you'd know what these are easily, or even just look at the top posts in the last month on HN to see.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=2&prefix=fa...

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by satvikpendem »

holoduke wrote: post #105
llelouch wrote: post #57

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Still avialable through the API. According to people that have tried both Fable nad 5.6, Fable is clearly better at coding. So i expect a lot of people to pay extra for it.

Who is going to pay API prices for using Claude? I don't know one single company. It's not gonna happen.

Most enterprises are already paying API prices as Anthropic are forcing them to above a certain company size.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by OtomotO »

wjnc wrote: post #155
noduerme wrote: post #134

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That's kinda hilarious. Pretty soon they might just ask people to write code themselves.

I’m in Finance and learned pretty quickly that to point out the implicit future cost raises based on the cost the LLM-providers need to recoup was unpopular at best (STFU better describes the situation). Running full force into a bear trap.

The sad part is that you work in FINANCE of all things and this happens there.

Like: What competence do decision makers in FINANCE have, when they are this oblivious to economics?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by ffsm8 »

dprkh wrote: post #116
throw394042 wrote: post #30

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

Are corporate employees not allowed to use personal subscriptions?

Unless you get written permission you can be sued for publishing their trade secrets. This can end in jail time if your employer is particularly uncaring.

Ymmv, do whatever you want . It's your life.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by adahn »

bloppe wrote: post #143
adahn wrote: post #102

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A no-investment policy would take them off the scene entirely. Essentially handing over the reins to OpenAI, Google, and others. Their position is something close to "if I don't do it, someone worse will". Related: https://80000hours.org/2012/03/the-replaceability-effect-wor... There's a more nuanced discussion that could be had about how to balance relevance with outside influence. But at a foundational level it sho…

"if I don't do it, someone worse will" Of course that's what Dario thinks because that's what every tech CEO thinks. Dario, Sam, Sundar, probably many Chinese CEOs as well. It's what everyone thinks. That's why they're competing so fiercely with one another. That's why they basically make all the same decisions. That's why we need properly open source AI.

It's hard to be certain what each individual thinks. We can do our best to judge based on what they each say and do. And there are significant differences in what each of these individuals have chosen to say and do over the years. The info available to the public makes it seem a lot like Dario's motivations & priorities differ from those of Sam and others.

This doesn't seem like the right place to spend my time litigating that point to its fullest extent (no-one here is doing that). But there's plenty of relevant info surrounding eg.:

* The New Yorker article on Altman [1]

* The story behind Anthropic's founding

* Various efforts to influence government policy (a16z policies and contributors [2], Trump's inauguration donors [3], giving Trump credit for AI infrastructure [4], Dario's op-eds [5])

1: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may...

2: https://a16z.com/portfolio/

3: https://www.opensecrets.org/trump/2025-inauguration-donors

4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe11mJ8mCHU

5: https://darioamodei.com/

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by Shorel »

throw394042 wrote: post #30

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

I'm using local models in Ollama for most things and only use the paid corporate account when my local model gets stuck.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by bloppe »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #148
bloppe wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"if I don't do it, someone worse will" Of course that's what Dario thinks because that's what every tech CEO thinks. Dario, Sam, Sundar, probably many Chinese CEOs as well. It's what everyone thinks. That's why they're competing so fiercely with one another. That's why they basically make all the same decisions. That's why we need properly open source AI.

Open source AI fails first contact with sufficiently-intelligent-as-to-be-dangerous AI. The day Mythos class models are open sourced will not be a good day. I don't think you understand the impact that will have on the world and on cyber defenders everywhere. It will be pure chaos. Even if you don't think Mythos-class is the bar, open source has to stop at some point, you don't hand everyone a superweapon.

Every single one of those sentences is highly dubious. Cyber-defenders would be pretty jazzed about having easier access to Mythos-class models. Cyber-defense is easier with better tools.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by sebra »

jascha_eng wrote: post #157
internet2000 wrote: post #79

Hope this forces Anthropic to be less stingy with Fable.

Not including their best model in a max subscription would otherwise be truly a good reason for once to consider going back to openai for me. I'll at least try it.

At least Anthropic have a max subscription for corporate. Codex is only pay-as-you-go pricing beyond the base plan. Hence I'm stuck with Opus for work for the foreseeable future.
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