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Post by user43928 »

kouteiheika wrote: post #97
senordevnyc wrote: post #72

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I find this kind of cynicism fascinating tbh. On the one hand, it seems so relatable in some ways, because there is something uncomfortable about being seen as naive, in a way that being seen as cynical or negative doesn't seem to carry. I guess it's just self-protective, almost like some kind of perverse Pascal's wager: it's better to think everyone is horrible and be wrong than to think the opposite and be taken ad…

> But if you assume he's just a villain You don't have to assume anything. A true "good guy" doesn't openly say that he's fine with autonomous, AI-powered weapons being used against me, and mass surveillance applied to me and my family just because I don't live in the US. A true "good guy" doesn't say "privacy is a human right", and then immediately (and completely) bend the knee to an authoritarian government on thi…

OpenAI's agreement with the Pentagon was "No use of OpenAI technology to direct autonomous weapons systems".

And about the mass surveillance, I don't see why the military should not use AI to do surveillance abroad.

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Post by solenoid0937 »

senordevnyc wrote: post #72
bigyabai wrote: post #49

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> He sure did seem to speed run the 'tech leader with scruples' to 'tech villain' path! What kind of rosy-eyed chump believes in the "tech leader with scruples" bullshit? It always lies. Did some people just ignore Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook's sociopathy, somehow? Did anyone buy into their "privacy is a human right" nonsense?

I find this kind of cynicism fascinating tbh. On the one hand, it seems so relatable in some ways, because there is something uncomfortable about being seen as naive, in a way that being seen as cynical or negative doesn't seem to carry. I guess it's just self-protective, almost like some kind of perverse Pascal's wager: it's better to think everyone is horrible and be wrong than to think the opposite and be taken ad…

It's a lot easier to sound smart on the internet if you're a bitter cynic.

Lots of nerds for some reason have made cynicism a personality trait. They think optimism/honesty is hopelessly naive, therefor cynicism is the correct default.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by y1n0 »

camillomiller wrote: post #124
solumunus wrote: post #114

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> 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Everyone is insane.

It‘s a collective psychosis. There is not other explanation.

The thing with language models is they are tailor made to fool managerial types into thinking it’s the holy grail.

Just like many managers, the appearance of productivity is all that counts. And LLMs shine at giving the appearance of having solved all of the managers problems, and all they have to do to use it is spend on tokens.

This isn’t to say that LLMs aren’t truly useful, they absolutely are. But they’re very nature is one of simulating intelligence through next word prediction.

The chat modes and models are by their nature supremely attractive to management layers, because they give answers that sound so damn plausible even when they are complete fictions, and uttered with such confidence how could they be anything but the singularity.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by solenoid0937 »

grey-area wrote: post #118
senordevnyc wrote: post #72

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I find this kind of cynicism fascinating tbh. On the one hand, it seems so relatable in some ways, because there is something uncomfortable about being seen as naive, in a way that being seen as cynical or negative doesn't seem to carry. I guess it's just self-protective, almost like some kind of perverse Pascal's wager: it's better to think everyone is horrible and be wrong than to think the opposite and be taken ad…

For these particular characters, the evidence is heavily against your panglossian take. All have collaborated with the current US regime. All have shown signs of being quite willing to compromise their principles in order to make money.

IDK, only one company has held their two red lines in open conflict with the government, while all the others capitulated to "all lawful use."

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by wjnc »

noduerme wrote: post #134
throw394042 wrote: post #30

I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

That's kinda hilarious. Pretty soon they might just ask people to write code themselves.

I’m in Finance and learned pretty quickly that to point out the implicit future cost raises based on the cost the LLM-providers need to recoup was unpopular at best (STFU better describes the situation). Running full force into a bear trap.

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Post by aenis »

jona-f wrote: post #73
hn_user2 wrote: post #36

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Humans use em dash as well. I hate that I have had to remove it from my writing style because people assume it’s AI generated. But I think that ship has sailed. I’ll have to do without now.

How do you type the em dash. I thought the point about the em dash "—" is, that it is longer than the normal minus "-". Humans normally have no way to produce it, cause there is no key on the keyboard.

Some text editors replace the -- (two separate dashes) with a proper em-dash. Literate people - who understand why em dash exists - have been using it all the time. Thats, after all, how the models learned to use it.

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Post by satvikpendem »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #141
bloppe wrote: post #139

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I agree that Dario is pretty annoying, but I think the "tech villain" archetype is essentially survivorship bias. The tech leaders who don't act that way are not nearly as visible because they're not nearly as successful.

HN is just a massive Anthropic hate fest now, probably funded/manipulated by OAI's $8B PR budget. OP phrases it as a bad thing that Dario is keeping compute multipliers to Anthropic. How naive can one be? Compute multipliers are the whole business. Those are the trade secrets every lab is built on. It is the alpha of the business. How does protecting this make Dario evil? This website is getting out of hand with the…

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Post by satvikpendem »

reinitctxoffset wrote: post #104
fragmede wrote: post #88

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implode, how?

They're in a price war with the People's Republic of China running flat out with the full backing of a government that literally does not care if they ever see a financial return on the investment, they just want to drive the value of LLM training and inference to zero because we banked the market on it being arbitrarily high margin forever. China was like hold my beer. They have a staggering surplus of grid capacity…

The US can just ban Chinese weights being used in US companies.
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