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Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by Aachen »

khurs wrote: post #216
Aachen wrote: post #147

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Don't get the portable ones. I made the mistake in 2019 and the thing is abysmally loud, barely gets the temperature 2 degrees lower in a single room, uses twice as much electricity as the rest of the household combined, and you still can't work from the heat and noise. That's with a window replaced by an insulating panel with a round cut-out for the hose, not a cracked window like you see most people needing to do.…

A lot of people are renting in UK now, so they will need permission to install a perm one?

Sure, same here in Germany. Would make the property way more valuable, so a landlord should be thrilled about you wanting to put in that work and could find some arrangement where they need to pay for it only if they kick you out within X years for example

I'd never again move anywhere above ground floor without some form of cooling mechanism, though I've also always been more affected by heat than others seem to. I'll pay basically any premium for this. Currently very blessed with a naturally cool ground floor apartment. The cold in winter I can deal with using clothing, heating blankets, and of course some base heating level, that's all not so difficult nor expensive

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Post by inigyou »

swiftcoder wrote: post #170
inigyou wrote: post #130

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What actions will you take to ensure the summer of 2050 isn't 200F?

Solar + heat pumps, electric vehicle (I'd rather use public transit, but I live in the wilderness), eating locally-grown seasonal fruits and vegetables, etc. I walk this walk, bud, but at the same time, whatever I do is completely irrelevant if we don't get off our collective asses and force the governments and corporations to do their part.

How will these actions ensure the summer of 2050 isn't 200F?

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by stinkbeetle »

petesergeant wrote: post #227
stinkbeetle wrote: post #133

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> And the consumption habits of the USA are responsible for how many more tonnes of CO2 emissions that are not onshore within the USA ? Probably quite a few thanks to globalist politicians among all major political parties to offshore production to countries with fewer regulations and much higher emissions intensity of production. But it would not be the highest emissions per capita. Much the same as the EU. The hand…

> thanks to globalist politicians among all major political parties So you're saying climate change is real, but the liberals/globalists/experts betrayed us by doing nothing useful?

Tell me exactly what part of what I wrote you're struggling with and I will try to make it simpler for you.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by adrianN »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #193
adrianN wrote: post #187

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Any high technology has incredibly long dependency chains. I think you seriously underestimate the difficulty of bootstrapping, say, WW2 level tech from irradiated wastelands after major nuclear exchanges.

"Irradiated wastelands" -- surely you realize that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are large cities today? Harmful radiation usually doesn't stay harmful for very long. In any case, I don't share your low opinion of future humans. They'll be as capable as we are; maybe far more capable. You also over-estimate and over-weight how destructive nuclear exchanges really are, the readiness state of the world's nuclear arsenals, and…

I just recall how massively supply chains were disrupted by a few percent of the population having a very bad cough a couple of years ago and extrapolate to a situation where billions are dead, agriculture is fucked for years or decades and major infrastructure is destroyed.

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Post by adrianN »

graemep wrote: post #105
jmyeet wrote: post #71

It's hard to compare a shift in a probability distribution because people will hang on to outliers. We hear this every winter: "all I hear about is Global Warming but look at this record snow". But I do believe the empirical evidence for all this has gone well beyond statistical significance. The Wire is one of my all-time favorite shows in part because it's a story of institutional failure at every level. The police…

> The wealthy prefer fossil fuels because a mine or an oil well is and always has been a massive wealth concentrator. lots of wealthy people are anti-fossil fuel. > Build a solar farm and it... just produces electricity. it needs land. It increases the value of land. Wealthy people own lots of land. The main objections for switching to wind and solar are variability in output and the cost of building all the new stuf…

Solar doesn't need a lot of land. If we used all the land we currently use to grow biofuels for solar instead we'd be able to cover most of our energy needs already.

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Post by swiftcoder »

inigyou wrote: post #232
swiftcoder wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solar + heat pumps, electric vehicle (I'd rather use public transit, but I live in the wilderness), eating locally-grown seasonal fruits and vegetables, etc. I walk this walk, bud, but at the same time, whatever I do is completely irrelevant if we don't get off our collective asses and force the governments and corporations to do their part.

How will these actions ensure the summer of 2050 isn't 200F?

I know you are just playing the fool here, but do you sincerely believe doing nothing is likely to achieve a better outcome?

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Post by gitaarik »

notrealyme123 wrote: post #5
inigyou wrote: post #3

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People one or two generations before you felt that about the cold war.

I think thats the wrong level of abstraction. The cold war ended, but clima change will not end.

Indeed, climate change won't end; it never has and it never will, the climate always changes.

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Post by gitaarik »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #12
inigyou wrote: post #3

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People one or two generations before you felt that about the cold war.

The cold war never heated up. Even if we stopped using fossil fuels tomorrow, it will take millennia for the climate to return to normal.

What's "normal" really? You could argue the climate has never actually been normal, or it always has been and always will

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Post by thewhitetulip »

water-data-dude wrote: post #207
thewhitetulip wrote: post #32

Why is it that aggressive climate action is not taken still?

In the US it's been turned into a culture war thing, because ignoring the problem benefits some already wealthy people who think they'll either be insulated by their wealth or they'll dead before it's time to face the consequences

I remember when Texas had frozen they mocked global warming by saying it's gonna cool down the US.

From that day to today's heat dome, things have changed a lot

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