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Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by blooalien »

adrianN wrote: post #75
underdeserver wrote: post #17

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It can change, if we get to net negative emissions. Not probable but possible.

It will just take at least three or four generations to get back to 90's climate, provided we don't trigger any irreversible tipping points, like the melting of the permafrost, in which case the climate is messed up for millennia.

The melting of the permafrost is already underway and it's not looking good for any hope of it slowing down, and that's only one (of many) irreversible tipping point we're facing right now. But hey, it'll be fine because it's all just "fake news" anyhow. (I wish that were actually true about it not being real, but it's crystal clear to anyone with an IQ higher than a houseplant that the scientists were right all along and we really should have started acting on all this stuff decades ago.) :(

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Post by swiftcoder »

xienze wrote: post #76
notrealyme123 wrote: post #5

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I think thats the wrong level of abstraction. The cold war ended, but clima change will not end.

> The cold war ended You wouldn't know it based on how everyone talks about Russia pulling the strings of just about every election (and being a moment away from conquering Europe while simultaneously being too incompetent to beat Ukraine).

> and being a moment away from conquering Europe while simultaneously being too incompetent to beat Ukraine

TBF, I don't think anyone has seriously espoused this fear since the war in Ukraine bogged down. It's become very clear that NATO folks overestimated Russia's conventional military capability - and along with the Russians, underestimated how rapidly drone warfare was evolving.

The cold-war era risk still facing us is more that one of the unhinged megalomaniacs currently in power in Moscow/Washington decides to press the big red button and end it all

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by notrealyme123 »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #204
notrealyme123 wrote: post #168

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Yes absolutely. They are different things . I am using "level of abstraction" in a sense to find a useful amount of details to drop or keep, which in turn makes an analogy/comparison possible.

Wow, you have the patience of a saint. It seems you have almost nobody actually engaging in discussion and instead trying to nitpick and play word games.

Hahaha ouch - and thank you. I think this particular topic is not about being right, but about revealing wild claims as what they are.

Answering to nitpicking and word plays is just fun along the way.

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Post by jmyeet »

graemep wrote: post #206
jmyeet wrote: post #163

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> lots of wealthy people are anti-fossil fuel. They're really not. Or it's just perfrmative environmentalism. Because they continue to support to politicians and the system that maintains the status quo. > Fine if you are Spanish. Please read the whole paragraph. Transmitting power, which is what UHVDC lines are for and something China builds to transmit power thousands of kilometers from the Western half of the coun…

> They're really not. Or it's just perfrmative environmentalism. Because they continue to support to politicians and the system that maintains the status quo. There are a lot of wealthy people spending serious money on lobbying against fossil fuels: https://spectator.com/article/revealed-the-shady-funding-of-... > Europe loves importing electricity. It's the key to greenwashing Yes, its also a potential problem trans…

Oh... I understand now. You're right wing and quoting a right-wing dish rag like the Spectator to play into a conspiracy that "dark money" is pushing some "net zero" agenda, somehow at the expense of the UK. Got it.

According to one study, the UK's investments in wind power have saved consumers 100 billion pounds since 2010 [1] all while spending 16-20 billion pounds a year on subsiizing natural gas [2] plus more on an emergency energy bill in 2020-2022.

[1]: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2025/oct/analysis-wind-power-has-...

[2]: https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/news/uk-government-subsidis...

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Post by intended »

bob001 wrote: post #190
intended wrote: post #73

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This is… one way to look at the death of billions, the end of nations, and the collapse of society due to the ensuing refugee crises. Not to forget, we are dependent on the food web. These changes mean species will be wiped out, fishing stocks will crash, and invasive will spread. Since you are likely in the developed world, tropical temps in Europe would mean refurbishment of houses. People won’t remember things lik…

> collapse of society due to the ensuing refugee crises Society won't collapse. Humans will do amazingly evil things to survive. The British were happy to starved millions of Indians to death until the country gained independence. All to support the British empire. We live in an era of basically unprecedented niceness in the history of humanity. Even the great empires of the past oppressed and killed multitudes more…

> Billions may die but society will go on with a somewhat lower regard for life and a larger amount of nationalism. Arguably what we consider western society will collapse but that's only existed for under a century.

It is easy to write provocative things when we do not let ourselves bear the weight of their implication. This is horror being outlined.

In earnest conversation, these are sombre and sobering implications, not frivolous or minor things.

This is a sea of humans, extending from one end of the horizon to the other, hungry, lost, frightened, confused, sad and angry. It is the loss of culture, history and fascinating things that one cherishes.

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Post by khurs »

Aachen wrote: post #147
gh2k wrote: post #47

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uk here. I've been trying to by a portable AC unit for a couple of weeks and every single retailer is sold out nationwide.

Don't get the portable ones. I made the mistake in 2019 and the thing is abysmally loud, barely gets the temperature 2 degrees lower in a single room, uses twice as much electricity as the rest of the household combined, and you still can't work from the heat and noise. That's with a window replaced by an insulating panel with a round cut-out for the hose, not a cracked window like you see most people needing to do.…

A lot of people are renting in UK now, so they will need permission to install a perm one?

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Post by graemep »

jmyeet wrote: post #214
graemep wrote: post #206

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> They're really not. Or it's just perfrmative environmentalism. Because they continue to support to politicians and the system that maintains the status quo. There are a lot of wealthy people spending serious money on lobbying against fossil fuels: https://spectator.com/article/revealed-the-shady-funding-of-... > Europe loves importing electricity. It's the key to greenwashing Yes, its also a potential problem trans…

Oh... I understand now. You're right wing and quoting a right-wing dish rag like the Spectator to play into a conspiracy that "dark money" is pushing some "net zero" agenda, somehow at the expense of the UK. Got it. According to one study, the UK's investments in wind power have saved consumers 100 billion pounds since 2010 [1] all while spending 16-20 billion pounds a year on subsiizing natural gas [2] plus more on…

Your first link (the credible one) says "This massive expansion of UK offshore wind is partly due to UK government subsidies." so it proves me right.

The other one is a campaign group who say there are subsidies but fail to name a single specific one.

Insulting people who come up with facts that do not suit your case does not prove anything, and there are guidelines on HN about personal attacks and assuming bad faith. Saying "Spectator bad" does not disprove anything it says either. Believing publications that take a line you agree with and disbelieving those that disagree with you is not a great way of learning facts.

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Post by graemep »

water-data-dude wrote: post #205
graemep wrote: post #70

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It might raise the chance of some conflicts (e.g. over Antarctica or Russia's border) and some land grabs, but I cannot see it leading to a world war.

India and Pakistan are both reliant on the Indus River for their agriculture. The Indus has its source in glaciers in the Himalayas. As those glaciers disappear, the Indus will deliver less water, and deliver it much less reliably (melting ice and snow provides a nice steady flow, runoff less so). So: you have two nuclear powers who are both relying on the same diminishing resource to feed their people. Do you not se…

Yes, but that would be a regional, not global conflict. There are already tensions over it and plenty of other tensions between India and Pakistan. the comment I replied to claimed it would cause a "huge global conflict" - i.e. world war. Serious as a war between India and Pakistan would be I would not characterise it in the same way as, say, an all out war between the US and China.

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Post by throw_m239339 »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #122
throw_m239339 wrote: post #77

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> Why is it that aggressive climate action is not taken still? We can't even have global peace around the world, some people are still starving daily despite the fact that there is plenty of food to feed everybody on the planet, and slavery is still a thing, who's going to do what climate action exactly?

Europe and the world in general obviously. 1000 people doed in France due to the heat wave. Ignoring heat wave deaths, Hormuz crisis has shown us that oil cam be blockaded but the panels and windmills installed on our rooftops can't be blockaded Even Cuba is setting up solar plants with the help of China. Philippines is the highest importer of solar panels since Hormuz was blocked. Rest of South Asia is quickly follo…

> Europe and the world in general obviously. 1000 people doed in France due to the heat wave.

Way more died during the heat wave in France in 2003. What did France do? Nothing substantial, because nobody is willing to bear the cost of substantial policies to fight climate change.

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Post by feydaykyn »

dismalaf wrote: post #182
feydaykyn wrote: post #165

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Check current renewal deployment figures, China is actually at the forefront, and India is taking the "right" path. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1MGJUaxQPk

Both are still increasing their total fossil fuel usage significantly. Even if they're deploying renewables at a high rate. Both are also increasing coal usage. Total and cumulative numbers are all that matter for global warming. https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuels https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/coal-production-by-countr...

Thank you for the source, it's very interesting.

I am a bit lost though: the first global graphic shows a depressing increase of fossil fuel consumption, but the detailed graphics after either show a stagnation or a decrease (must be centered on electricity generation I guess).

The global picture seems very positive, reaching a plateau is a great achievement! Let's meet in 2026 to hopefully confirm this trend

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