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Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Post by epistasis »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #26
free_bip wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty obvious this comment didn't come from a Canadian. Because if it was, you'd know that Palantir is elbow-deep in the Trump administration, the same one that has repeatedly threatened to annex Canada. That is not a threat to be taken lightly, and the Canadian public agrees, which is why the trump-opposing Liberal party is currently enjoying a parliamentary majority. A more relevant question would be "Why wou…

> Palantir is elbow-deep in the Trump administration, the same one that has repeatedly threatened to annex Canada. That is not a threat to be taken lightly, and the Canadian public agrees Are they making any preparations for war, at all, that they weren't also doing in 2021?

Did the US make any preparations for war before abducting Maduro from Venezuela or before getting into a war with Iran that cost them freedom of passage in the Strait of Hormuz?

Right up until Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia maintained that, no, that troop buildup wasn't meant as an invasion force, and a good chunk of the world believed Russia because it was a moronic idea to invade Ukraine. Trump is far more moronic and power drunk than Putin, and would perhaps not even organize troops befre invading Canada, all because somebody in the inner circle goaded Trump into it.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Post by jeromegv »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #33
jmye wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Assuming the answer is "no", that is sufficient to demonstrate that the Canadian public sees the threat as one to be taken lightly, and indeed one to which the most appropriate reaction is to ignore it.

Ah yes.. the threat to invade us... should be taken lightly. Right. We should fall in line, let them bully us, do nothing, keep sending our money there.

I'm sure that your dear leader would also take lightly any threat of invasion against the United States.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Post by dreambuffer »

altmanaltman wrote: post #3

I mean no public strategy should include secret bills, Palantir or no Palantir. If you're idealogically opposed to Palantir, how will a home-grown Palantir help? It would likely do the same things Palantir does but with a Canadian Alex Karp

There likely isn't a Canadian Alex Karp. Karp is a unique byproduct of American culture. The specific brand of arrogance, hunger for war, and callous disregard for human life, all in service of a right wing ideological project, is simply not as present in Canada because Canada is a middle power with more liberal values who prefer diplomacy over war.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

maxdo wrote: post #35
gloryjulio wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada do have an ai company Cohere that has potential to be big. Personally I do think they are one of the credible competitors.

are you seriously believe in that? when was last time they produced a model, that is at least in top 20?

Remind me which of Palantir's models would it be competing with?

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

ihsw wrote: post #15
bigyabai wrote: post #8

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Palantir's software stack is not really that complex, and their FDE workforce is famously... undereducated. Canada should be able to pull it off, there's much to improve on.

You overestimate the willingness of Canadian software engineer employers to pay anything beyond peanuts. Any competent developer already immediately flees to the US to triple their take-home pay at first chance and Canadian employers are fully aware of this.

I know lots of competent developers in Canada. Some better than any I have yet met in the Bay area. They know they could triple their income by moving to the US, but they have other attachments, priorities, and concerns.

Lots do move to the US too, but it's a filter for ambition, not competence. Don't confuse the two.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Post by gloryjulio »

maxdo wrote: post #35
gloryjulio wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada do have an ai company Cohere that has potential to be big. Personally I do think they are one of the credible competitors.

are you seriously believe in that? when was last time they produced a model, that is at least in top 20?

I think they are in b2b enterprise model space. Privacy is way more important. Not sure if Sota models are needed.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Post by antonvs »

gatvol wrote: post #14
jschrf wrote: post #5

Canada shouldn't include Palantir at all.

Why not?

Because it’s a company with no ethics beyond “might makes right,” owned by a person of dubious sanity who travels around the world to warn anyone who’ll listen about how the Antichrist is bad for their business.

Why would anyone in their right minds do business with a company like that?

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Post by dreambuffer »

maxdo wrote: post #35
gloryjulio wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada do have an ai company Cohere that has potential to be big. Personally I do think they are one of the credible competitors.

are you seriously believe in that? when was last time they produced a model, that is at least in top 20?

You know Palantir is not an LLM company, right? Their core product is just data integration systems.

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Post by nradov »

maximilianburke wrote: post #32
nradov wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's true then why hasn't Canada managed to produce a credible competitor already? What are they missing? Will the opportunity to win domestic government contracts change that situation or are there other obstacles?

Because govtech is notoriously difficult to break in to.

How did Palantir break in? What's preventing a Canadian competitor from doing the same?

Re: Al Vigier: Canada's AI strategy shouldn't include secret Palantir bills

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Post by protocolture »

soupbowl wrote: post #36
singpolyma3 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Because they are a communist country aligned with Russia.

China is the most sensible current superpower. They are barely communist at all since Deng and have a better recent track record in terms of maintaining global trade. And at least in recent years they are probably the least worst super power in terms of imprisoning minorities.

Oh and Premier Xi lives under your bed.

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