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Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by BunsanSpace »

xprnio wrote: post #68
detourdog wrote: post #44

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Not to mention cocaine.

The cannabis to cocaine pipeline sadly is real, whether we want to or not. As long as the same people we buy our weed from also have a chance of being the people that have cocaine for you to buy, all that’s left to figure out is the money and the willingness to buy some. (Sadly speaking from experience)

No.

Cannabis is a multi purpose drug, cocaine is party drug and/or a "I haven't slept, don't want the 8 hour+ commitment of speed, but need to stay awake" drug.

The overlap of pot users and cocaine users is rather small in my anecdotal experience.

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Post by Spooky23 »

brookst wrote: post #98
mil22 wrote: post #60

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That's not really a fair standard by which to judge the study, abstract or not. The dosing mechanism information was not present in the underlying dataset available to them: > This retrospective cohort study utilized the TriNetX health research network, which aggregates deidentified electronic medical records from health care organizations worldwide. > 1) The cannabis-user group with cannabis use diagnoses (Internati…

Did they though? Not accounting for confounding factors like “other drugs” seems to indicate it’s not about the risks of cannabis use so much as the risks from all sources that the average cannabis user faces. Using only cannabis might have zero impact or even be beneficial based on this evidence (if you hypothesize that most of the negative outcomes were cannabis+cocaine users, for instance). Still good data, but I…

With a metastudy based on EMR data, I’d only use this to advocate for studying the issue further.

Information like this get collected at a point in time and never goes away. People have EMR fatigue and click though the questions. Anecdotal point, several years ago I accidentally stated that I drank enough to be considered a severe alcoholic. Even after correcting it at my next visit, it never really goes away, I get asked lifestyle questions relating to alcoholism.

Similarly advocacy against drunk driving, a noble cause, juiced up the stats. If you run over and injure a guy on the sidewalk carrying a sealed bottle of liquor, it will be labeled “alcohol related” more often than not based on officer discretion. If it’s fatal, the autopsy will take that conclusion if any party has a 0.01 BAC.

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Post by stringfood »

Mwntalhwalth wrote: post #177

Quit recently after daily use for about 30 years. Took 3 years, and several regiments of hyperbaric therapy, I also took the time to cut out all other stimulants or depressents, alcohol, coffee etc. Now I stimulate the Vegas nerve in the morning and at night with breathing regiments Its hard to quit as there is a lot it does for you neurologically like caffeine does but I finally realized it was giving me neuroinflam…

cannabis is harder to quit because it doesn't have that "it's killing you" aspect to it - but staying in bed and playing video games can kill in a different way! Still better than drinking heavily though

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Post by bluGill »

stringfood wrote: post #141
Aurornis wrote: post #128

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I’m not from a place where cannabis use was common, but it was present. Growing up I definitely knew some people who had their demons who turned to drugs. However we also had a lot of people who were in good situations who picked up drugs for purely recreational reasons. One of my friends at the time even boasted that drugs were actually more appropriate for people like him who were educated, in good situations, and…

I feel by your logic, no one should ever use drugs or alcohol lest they become addicted to how good they make them feel. An abstinence approach. very modern!

Science agrees with no alcohol. The other drugs are not studied enough to be sure but things point in that direction.

I can have fun without drugs.

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Post by stringfood »

bluGill wrote: post #184
stringfood wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel by your logic, no one should ever use drugs or alcohol lest they become addicted to how good they make them feel. An abstinence approach. very modern!

Science agrees with no alcohol. The other drugs are not studied enough to be sure but things point in that direction. I can have fun without drugs.

>I can have fun without drugs.

Yes!!! I love this approach! unironically

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Post by projektfu »

embedding-shape wrote: post #179
projektfu wrote: post #173

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That's a weird statement. I don't think I'll ever visit a cardiologist (as a patient) unless I had a suspicion of heart disease. Is it common to get checked out by specialists for no reason in your locale?

Well, I been a cannabis smoker for more than 15 years and not checked my heart once, so made sense to ensure it looked healthy. But then I live in a country (Spain) where healthcare isn't incredibly expensive, something you can do just to make sure nothing is funky wonky. I think is relatively common for people to use the healthcare we available to us, yeah.

Did you have an echocardiogram?

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Post by bottlepalm »

dvduval wrote: post #11

For me, cannabis causes anxiety, and it’s pretty well established that anybody with anxiety or bipolar or schizophrenia should not be using cannabis because it can make these much worse. I don’t suffer anxiety anymore, but there’s plenty of scientific evidence about the relationship between anxiety and cannabis use.

I’ve seen it happen over and over again, regular smokers stop smoking because weed only gives them anxiety now. It’s literally a gateway drug to an anxiety disorder.

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Post by topranks »

embedding-shape wrote: post #5

> researchers were unable to account for several potential confounding factors including the duration and amount of cannabis use or the use of tobacco or other drugs. Personally I'd wager a bet it's the tobacco and/or smoking that is the harmful part, but it kind of dumbfounds me they failed to account for "details" like "duration and amount of cannabis use", that feels like a very vital thing to control for. Nothing…

Also all the bad food choices me and my fellow stoners make when we’re high.

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Post by beezle »

laybak wrote: post #130

quite a few people I know consume edibles as the main form of cannabis. but it seems underrepresented in all the studies I've seen so far. as several others have pointed out, you would think the act of smoking would itself have nontrivial effects on health

One can also use vapes. I avoid the cartridge types as I don't want to guess what was used to process them. Instead I use a simple flower vape which on the face of it should be less bad than say smoking from a joint or bong.

Gummies and other edibles though require processing in the liver before they become active in the body (they are converted to a slightly different form of THC) so you would need to consider whether there are any negative effects on liver health from edibles and then compare to the various 'inhaled' methods.

General friendly advice - for anything not flower, try to get things that are made by live rosin (not resin) as they are the cleanest and should not involve the use of any hydrocarbon solvents for extraction. Live resin would be next, though it does use hydrocarbons. Distilliates which are often in vape cartridges are almost always made with hydrocarbons. While the production method shouldn't matter if everything is done 100% properly, it does require trust that all the butane, etc has been fully removed from the final product.

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