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Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Not that it invalidates the article but the previous record for Czech republic was 40.4 not 39 degrees (see VIII/August below) https://www.chmi.cz/namerena-data/historicka-data/historicke...

These are June records. Yours lols like an August temperature.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Do you really think Russia, China, India or developing countries are going to stop using fossil fuels if we stop? If the west de-industrializes then our enemies will destroy us... Russia's literally invading Europe right now (albeit poorly).

Check current renewal deployment figures, China is actually at the forefront, and India is taking the "right" path. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1MGJUaxQPk

Both are still increasing their total fossil fuel usage significantly. Even if they're deploying renewables at a high rate.

Both are also increasing coal usage.

Total and cumulative numbers are all that matter for global warming.

https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuels

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/coal-production-by-countr...

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This is… one way to look at the death of billions, the end of nations, and the collapse of society due to the ensuing refugee crises. Not to forget, we are dependent on the food web. These changes mean species will be wiped out, fishing stocks will crash, and invasive will spread. Since you are likely in the developed world, tropical temps in Europe would mean refurbishment of houses. People won’t remember things lik…

> the collapse of society due to the ensuing refugee crises This is what worries me. At some point more northern facing countries will decide enough is enough and start mass genocide of any population attempting to flee. Europe will be ok with just killing a few hundred million trying to flee in boats, and the eastern frontier is securable, especially with drones, but even with conscripts. Hell Ukraine has done a sol…

I agree.

I find it very difficult to maintain an even tone and address statements that posit climate change positive effects on society.

There are so many incredibly bad things about climate change it boggles the mind.

I try and believe people are burying their heads in the sand to avoid the pain of reckoning with the end of everything they hold dear. This ends up with punches being pulled.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Even anatomically modern humans have gone through similar events several times in the history of our species, let alone our ancestors. Climate change itself will not be the end of humanity, but it may be the end of the current civilisation.

There are several highly problematic areas, but they are local (very, very big, but local, not remotely close to covering the whole of human civilization).

I am curious how humanity is not affected as a whole by climate change.

You already said these are massive geographic issues.

Yet these different, large, geographic problems are of a size that doesn’t end up having even a remote effect on human civilization?

How? Is there some geography which is not impacted at all? A geography where a massive portion of human civilization is situated?

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Let’s say the end of our civilization and going back to middle age or something like that.

The middle ages were in the middle of something called "the little ice age" which was entirely different and, obviously, mostly had the opposite effect. The most dramatic story about that is what happened to the settling of Greenland (more than once). Basically during a cold spell the city was gradually abandoned, with sometimes the last few people literally freezing to death when their fuel ran out.

I think you missed my point. What’s coming will obviously not be the middle age, that’s in the past. It will still be bad.

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And yet many Europeans will still argue that ACs are evil and they shouldn't have them despite an estimated 175k heat related deaths per year. Although maybe this heat wave will change some minds.

Are the anti-AC zealots in the room right now? Lived in Europe all my life, never seen this, in the past 40 years. I think it’s more an American fantasy than anything else. Historically, aircon in Northern Europe was pointless except for large office blocks, so was rarely installed. It’s been common in much of Southern Europe for a while. I think it’s still a _fairly_ hard sell in much of Northern Europe; you might b…

> Are the anti-AC zealots in the room right now?

The first response to my post was one. Last post that touched on this a couple weeks ago had a number of them as well.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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War definitely can end technological civilization. Bootstrapping it again will be quite difficult as a lot of the easily accessible natural resources are already depleted.

> Bootstrapping it again will be quite difficult as a lot of the easily accessible natural resources are already depleted. That's a myth, but let's assume it isn't. I'm thinking it sounds like a job for you. Okay, here's what you've gotta do. Buy some titanium slabs. Etch onto them, in simple and decipherable language (there's a technical way to approach this, I can explain later,) the secrets of solar panels, how to…

Any high technology has incredibly long dependency chains. I think you seriously underestimate the difficulty of bootstrapping, say, WW2 level tech from irradiated wastelands after major nuclear exchanges.

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~50% share (in some countries much higher) fossil-based electricity is still 50% fossil-based electricity.

That tends to happen when you spend a couple decades shutting down the non-fossil fuel energy sources. Germany used to be 30% nuclear up to 2005 so well past climate change is real times. Now it's around 1%.

I know. But it is what it is now.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Always fun, having to fight a problem caused by X by doing more X. At least there’s the silver lining that solar production and the need for AC go hand in hand.

The problem wasn't caused by air conditioning, it was caused by burning fossil fuels. Perhaps we could find a way to have air conditioning without burning fossil fuels?

Obviously. But as of now, AC means burning carbon (~50% of Europe's electricity production). Demand for even more electricity may accelerate the transition, hopefully, but right now the projection is that all the extra capacity and much more will be taken by data centers and consumer electricity bills are going to double or triple. Hopefully that will never actually happen but who knows.

Obviously consuming even more should never be the solution to problems caused by overconsumption. We should be figuring out ways to keep electricity use in check rather than consuming more and more, but that's a fact that people would rather not accept.

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Nah. It's really as simple as this: Southern climates are moving north. (In the northern hemisphere.) If you want a vision of the future, consider a New England that looks more like the Southeast. There will be winners and losers. As climate zones move toward the poles, weather patterns and agricultural viability will shift with them. This will eventually turn current breadbaskets into deserts while warming up northe…

This is… one way to look at the death of billions, the end of nations, and the collapse of society due to the ensuing refugee crises. Not to forget, we are dependent on the food web. These changes mean species will be wiped out, fishing stocks will crash, and invasive will spread. Since you are likely in the developed world, tropical temps in Europe would mean refurbishment of houses. People won’t remember things lik…

> collapse of society due to the ensuing refugee crises

Society won't collapse. Humans will do amazingly evil things to survive. The British were happy to starved millions of Indians to death until the country gained independence. All to support the British empire. We live in an era of basically unprecedented niceness in the history of humanity. Even the great empires of the past oppressed and killed multitudes more through slavery or serfdom or constant expansionist wars or other such means.

> refurbishment of houses

Perfect work for refugees to do at gun point.

Billions may die but society will go on with a somewhat lower regard for life and a larger amount of nationalism. Arguably what we consider western society will collapse but that's only existed for under a century.

In some ways that is more depressing than society simply collapsing. We will leave behind a rotting zombified corpse of our society to future generations.

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