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Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Moving away from codemods and towards LLMs doing migration work is an interesting development. Even if they’re more deterministic, I wonder if the days of codemods are numbered.

How about leveraging llms to produce deterministic codemods? You can then iterate on this by running the codemods and using other deterministic guardrails, feeding the results back into the llm to improve the codemods?

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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post #8

For boring applications - do people prefer the copy paste approach of shadcn instead of a traditional ui library like mantine? The copy paste approach may be easily modifiable but creates new problems - ie now there is an upgrade ai agent for something that should just be ticking up a version number.

Mantine is brilliant, I can build anything in it quickly and then extend it or completely customize the theme or individual components, but there is a learning curve. I would not call it a giant learning curve.

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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post #8

For boring applications - do people prefer the copy paste approach of shadcn instead of a traditional ui library like mantine? The copy paste approach may be easily modifiable but creates new problems - ie now there is an upgrade ai agent for something that should just be ticking up a version number.

I’m leaning towards vendoring for all my new projects.

Grabbing an off-the-shelf UI library is easy in the short term, but it’s usually overcomplicated, implements things I won’t ever need, is hard to tweak if/when you want to distinguish your app from the thousand others using the same library, and when you do decide to upgrade it, all your tweaks break in subtle ways.

What I think would be the best approach is building your own UI library. You own it, you get to reuse it across different projects and maintain the same visual style (if desired), and you add features when you need them.

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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post #8

For boring applications - do people prefer the copy paste approach of shadcn instead of a traditional ui library like mantine? The copy paste approach may be easily modifiable but creates new problems - ie now there is an upgrade ai agent for something that should just be ticking up a version number.

I highly prefer a copy and paste approach. The less npm installs the better.

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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I have used and mostly like Shadcn, and yet their Radix-based radio button was a bit much, as are other choices, where similarly overblown solutions were used. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46688971

My main gripe with Shadcn and, well, most UI libraries nowadays, is that they are reinventing the wheel for like a thousandth time.

I’m trying out Ark UI on a side project. They do have some genuinely useful components, like tags input: https://ark-ui.com/docs/components/tags-input

They have a tabs/“segment group” component with a nice animated active element indicator which would probably be tricky to implement: https://ark-ui.com/docs/components/segment-group

And then they also have stuff like overcomplicated “click to copy” button and a reimplementation: https://ark-ui.com/docs/components/clipboard, https://ark-ui.com/docs/components/collapsible

All with a verbose markup that renders as a div soup.

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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post #10
post #8

For boring applications - do people prefer the copy paste approach of shadcn instead of a traditional ui library like mantine? The copy paste approach may be easily modifiable but creates new problems - ie now there is an upgrade ai agent for something that should just be ticking up a version number.

Martine just straight up sucks. Vendoring your components gives you the best of both worlds. You get a full component library but retain the ability to modify them as you want. Your AI agent claim doesn't make any sense either. When upgrading normally your component just gets rewritten on disk. When switching from radix to base ui, a more comprehensive approach is needed.

The ai agent “claim” is from the webpage that is linked to:

When You're Ready to Migrate

You don't need to migrate. But if you want to, we built a skill for it:

pnpm dlx skills add shadcn/ui

Then ask your coding agent:

migrate accordion to base-ui

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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I have used and mostly like Shadcn, and yet their Radix-based radio button was a bit much, as are other choices, where similarly overblown solutions were used. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46688971

My main gripe with Shadcn and, well, most UI libraries nowadays, is that they are reinventing the wheel for like a thousandth time. I’m trying out Ark UI on a side project. They do have some genuinely useful components, like tags input: https://ark-ui.com/docs/components/tags-input They have a tabs/“segment group” component with a nice animated active element indicator which would probably be tricky to implement: htt…

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