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The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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Re: The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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This article is rated 100% on my AI smell meter, making it less trustworthy despite convincing arguments. For instance, I'm now really only sure that author measured a 2000 ppm CO2 in a meeting room once. Everything else could just be LLM trying to invent convincing argument.

Yeah, I clocked it as AI the moment I read "Here is the uncomfortable part". Pangram detects it as 100% AI-generated:

https://www.pangram.com/history/c410d4b4-abfd-4ca0-b52d-db0d...

Re: The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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I’ve had a Co2 monitor for years. I get headaches from increased Co2 levels plus the lethargic state. It’s been revolutionary - including on long drives where it’s def saved me from crashing.

Personal opinion, you can see cognitive decline at 1000 ppm. Not “ur a zombie” but it’s there. Airflow has vastly improved my life.

Another personal opinion - the coporate stupidity and inane behavior we all see tracks back in part to Co2 levels turning people into quasi zombies. It’s a lot easier to just not care, and things don’t click like they should, when in higher Co2 environments - pushing everyone to rote, process, unthinking approaches. Sounds familiar?

Re: The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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Can't let those stupid workers open a window and ruin the efficacy of the precisely engineered hvac system that lets the building hit LEED Platinum or whatever

Yeah. But even when you can, how many bosses might forbid it - because there's already too many arguments over the thermostats, or it's kinda noisy outside, or HR warned 'em of lawsuits for doing that when the air pollution numbers are elevated, or whatever?

Perhaps HR should be warning them of reduced productivity and lawsuits when the CO2 concentration is elevated.

Re: The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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I notice that thinking becomes less clear when going above 1000ppm, so I let HA send a notification at 1000ppm. With ALPSTUGA it would send already at 700ppm. By the way, above 1000 the divergences become even larger due to the inaccuracy also being 10% of the ambient CO2 concentration (in optimal circumstances, probably larger IRL). So, suppose you want to be notified at 2000 ppm, the IKEA sensor might already do so…

>With ALPSTUGA it would send already at 700ppm. "oh no I am getting too much fresh air" I get your point but come on.

In some situations it means opening a windows, with big temperature drops when it is cold outside.

At any rate, this is really a weird discussion, because you can get far more accurate meters at similar price points. Why waste your money on a much worse meter?

Re: The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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No, it's not. You generally want to ventilate an office when you reach 1000ppm, but then the IKEA will often warn you already at 700ppm. 700ppm is fine.

But if I open a window at 700ppm, so what?

Maybe you live in a place where the room temperature is the same as outside. Here in winter, it means sitting in the cold.

Re: The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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I would not want to live in a city where I have to be careful letting in outside air or going outside because there's too much air pollution...

Living in the countryside won't save you. I spent my childhood in a rural area and our house had the misfortune of being situated on a steep hill, so at all hours of the day and night you'd have cars and motorcycles and tractor trailers revving their engine to get up that hill. Every year we'd have to powerwash that road-facing side of the house to clean off the accumulated black grime, and sleeping with my window op…

Cars are not a problem no matter where you live. You described a very specific circumstance and projected it on to all rural areas, which doesn’t work.

Re: The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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Haha yes. 400-450ppm is fine. We’re doing just fine here. Everything is okay. https://www.co2levels.org/

The comment was about the accuracy of the sensor, not about raising CO2 levels across the globe.

Sure. It just draws attention to the fact that a throwaway piece of advice for checking calibration of a CO2 sensor is ‘it should read 400-450ppm outside’ when a few short decades ago that advice would have been ‘it should read 300-350ppm outside’.

It’s like if someone said ‘you can check if your chatbot’s news feed is complete and up to date by asking it for ‘recent mass shootings’. There should be two or three in the past seven days’. It’s true and a valid methodology but holy crap does it say something dark about where we are.

Re: The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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Sherlock Holmes disagrees: "I find that a concentrated atmosphere helps a concentration of thought. I have not pushed it to the length of getting into a box to think, but that is the logical outcome of my convictions."

As other commenters noted, it's more about dirty air than CO2 levels - so, logically, should not be a problem for everyone.

If article is really written by AI though, then what if it's PSYOP? The question to ponder then is: why AI wants low CO2 levels? Maybe, for people like Sherlock Holmes to lose a concentration of thought?

Re: The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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I can just imagine the horrors and skin crawls that your last sentence has evoked in some people's minds. Not the state!! But seriously, so much care needs to be taken here. OK, well "care" at least. Employers certainly would benefit from scrubbing CO2 from the air, in terms of productivity. I'm willing to bet that with central air it would be quite easy, and even with heat and AC off, lots of places still circulate…

You’re talking about oxygen like it’s California Rocket Fuel or meth.

Welcome to HN. Eternal September has arrived here at last.

Re: The bottleneck might be the air in the room

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I bought a $30 CO2 monitor a couple months ago, and it confirmed my suspicion that my home office (a normal room about 12' x 18') reaches unhealthy levels over 1000ppm after just a few hours; opening a window quickly restores levels to the 400-700ppm range. Afternoon mental fatigue solved. Highly recommended.

Fantastic, did you go for a particular "trusted" brand or just went on vibes? How should one rationally approach shopping for a CO2 monitor for home office use?

I didn't do much research, got a really basic "Temtop" model from Amazon.
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