> I used AI daily—how could I expect my students to avoid it entirely? Uh, by also avoiding it entirely?
a football coach is not required to do all the drills and that doesn't make him a hypocrite
Instead of banning AI, I made a classroom contract with my students
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Re: Instead of banning AI, I made a classroom contract with my students
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really, at least not without restructuring the educational system completely. AI really isn't a skill that needs to be taught, like adults didn't need to take a semester in AI-usage, so why should children need such a thing? Besides, it interferes with how we teach, which is done by having students write things in their own words (which is just "that which I can't explain, I don't understand", instrumentalized).…
"AI really isn't a skill that needs to be taught" At this point that's like saying Microsoft Excel isn't a skill that needs to be taught. None of this stuff is easy to use, or obvious. If you want to get meaningful results out of it and avoid the many, many traps then there is an absolute ton you need to learn. In the context of this conversation, the skill that needs to be learned is how to use AI to learn effective…
Well let's say that is true, and we do teach a class of kids how to use AI, how much of that will still be applicable by the time they enter the work force?
Re: Instead of banning AI, I made a classroom contract with my students
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
>"Tiktok is like meth", would you advocate for moderation of meth? This is an absurd statement. If someone is trying to talk about the middle cases, redirecting the conversation to the edge in order to dismiss their general comment is not appropriate. 'Edge cases exist' is not a lesson most people here need to hear.
I'm not even sure it's demonstrable that all things are good in moderation. There is a very large class of things that simply aren't good in moderation. This leaves it generously a thought teminating cliche devoid of meaning, certainly nothing you should be making decisions off.
All generalizations are fragile at the edge cases, that doesn't make them pointless, especially if you know they are generalizations.
Re: Instead of banning AI, I made a classroom contract with my students
#44The older I get the more I realize “moderation in everything” is the key to success and happiness. Moderation in the sense of using or consuming something to only a certain degree. In this case, education, the answer is in the middle. It’s exploring and utilizing new tools while ensuring the base foundation of education. It’s really simple. Apply “moderation” to nearly any facet of your life and it’s probably the cor…
>This isn’t to say don’t follow passions or pursue things to a moderate extreme, just don’t ever let it consume you.
Just moderate your moderation! It’s turtles all the way down
Re: Instead of banning AI, I made a classroom contract with my students
#45The older I get the more I realize “moderation in everything” is the key to success and happiness. Moderation in the sense of using or consuming something to only a certain degree. In this case, education, the answer is in the middle. It’s exploring and utilizing new tools while ensuring the base foundation of education. It’s really simple. Apply “moderation” to nearly any facet of your life and it’s probably the cor…
Moderation in fentanyl, too? Some habits are arguably just vices, that have few justifiable middle grounds.
Sure. Fentanyl should neither be completely banned from the nation nor easily obtained OTC by anyone. We should keep it available for things like epidurals.
Moderation in fentanyl.
Re: Instead of banning AI, I made a classroom contract with my students
#46The older I get the more I realize “moderation in everything” is the key to success and happiness. Moderation in the sense of using or consuming something to only a certain degree. In this case, education, the answer is in the middle. It’s exploring and utilizing new tools while ensuring the base foundation of education. It’s really simple. Apply “moderation” to nearly any facet of your life and it’s probably the cor…
Moderation in fentanyl, too? Some habits are arguably just vices, that have few justifiable middle grounds.
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Re: Instead of banning AI, I made a classroom contract with my students
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would you do instead to make sure the student actually possesses the skills they are intended to have learned by the end of a program?
I'm not sure it's possible to force someone to learn who doesn't want to. From what I can tell, the article is basically saying that giving the students some form of agency and trust is a better way to motivate them to take it seriously than being a strict top-down disciplinarian. This fits with my experience (both from when I was a student and in my interactions with younger people as an adult), and I would expect t…
My experience has been the complete opposite, a bit of pressure goes a long way. There are many people who need to know X or Y and just dont have the maturity or innate motivation to do it properly. This comes from the experience of a Dutch school system so perhaps its different in other countries.
Re: Instead of banning AI, I made a classroom contract with my students
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really, at least not without restructuring the educational system completely. AI really isn't a skill that needs to be taught, like adults didn't need to take a semester in AI-usage, so why should children need such a thing? Besides, it interferes with how we teach, which is done by having students write things in their own words (which is just "that which I can't explain, I don't understand", instrumentalized).…
"AI really isn't a skill that needs to be taught" At this point that's like saying Microsoft Excel isn't a skill that needs to be taught. None of this stuff is easy to use, or obvious. If you want to get meaningful results out of it and avoid the many, many traps then there is an absolute ton you need to learn. In the context of this conversation, the skill that needs to be learned is how to use AI to learn effective…
I don't like the conflation of terms, but they're obviously referring to LLMs, which are designed to use natural language prompts. And the integration of LLMs into Excel means that to some degree Excel doesn't need to be taught anymore.
Re: Instead of banning AI, I made a classroom contract with my students
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not even sure it's demonstrable that all things are good in moderation. There is a very large class of things that simply aren't good in moderation. This leaves it generously a thought teminating cliche devoid of meaning, certainly nothing you should be making decisions off.
All generalizations are fragile at the edge cases, that doesn't make them pointless, especially if you know they are generalizations.
This just isn't a good generalization though. It would be easier to enumerate the few things it does apply to than the manifold that it doesn't.
It fails in every direction, not just stepping on legos and murder. It's in no way better to be moderately happy or healthy than extremely happy or healthy.