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Post by mmcconnell1618 »

bdavbdav wrote: post #236
valgaze wrote: post #4

Author says "I literally will not buy a car that does not support CarPlay." From July 2022: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro ... Apple engineering manager Emily Schubert said 98% of new cars in the U.S. come with CarPlay installed. She delivered a shocking stat: 79% of U.S. buyers would only buy a car if it supported CarPlay. “It’s a must-have feature when shopping for a new vehicle,” Schu…

Not only does it irritate me not having it in a practical sense, it’s also an arrogance on behalf of the manufacturer. “We can do it better than iOS/Android”, or “We have a better reason to do it”. No, and No.

Even if they could "do it better" it is still locked into a single device/vehicle and can't match the eco-system that Apple and Google have developed across a family of devices and services. In order to really compete, they would need to enter markets already dominated by big tech companies.

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Post by joshstrange »

bombcar wrote: post #398
bingo-bongo wrote: post #304

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I’ve had ~15 cars over the past 25 years, different make and models, some really cheap, some fairly expensive. One thing they all have in common: their terrible infotainment UI. I’m sure they are trying and it has gotten slightly better lately - but it’s still not great imho. If they really want to do it better than Apple etc., they seriously need to up their game - and I really wish they would, but I don’t see that…

Car Infotainment Systems vs Built-in TV UI/Apps shittiness FIGHT! It's a real competition, not sure who would take home the gold.

It pains me when I see people using the built-in TV apps. I've bought and/or gifted older Apple TVs and the like (Fire/Chrome stick/box) to show there is a better way. The lag and general slowness of those interfaces drive me nuts.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by greentea23 »

stephen_g wrote: post #81
echelon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like the Apple monopoly has made yet another industry its bitch. These companies are giving up sovereignty of their primary product to a company that can steer away customer loyalty and disrupt any hope these companies have of increasing their already scant margins. Any car should be able to interface with a phone without Apple or Google's legally binding terms and NDAs. The direction of control should be on t…

That doesn’t make any sense… The comment you’re replying to is about people’s desire for a particular feature, but pretty much any car that supports CarPlay also supports the Android equivalent, as well as still having media playback and often some kind of navigation without either! Your comment would only make sense in a hypothetical situation where the car infotainment only worked if you had an iPhone or if there w…

It makes perfect sense. Android Auto is not libre. You need an attested Google device to use Android Auto and an attested Apple device to use CarPlay, so both options are anti-user at their core, forcing you into being non-anonymous and tracked in a myriad of ways that you can only bypass if you run a custom ROM.

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Post by 0x457 »

brookst wrote: post #320
linzhangrun wrote: post #302

For pure interaction, CarPlay as a generic solution is very hard to beat infotainment systems that are deeply integrated with the vehicle itself. Its advantages are mainly these: - Consistency. You get into a new car, all you need to figure out is how to open CarPlay, no need to learning a completely different and often complicated infotainment system. - "It's on your phone". You can decide what playlist to play or w…

You missed the biggest one: continuity. Start listening to music at home, take it to the car. Start a podcast in the car, finish it in the gym. CarPlay is user-centric, which is why users like it. All these attempts to force people into a device-centric experience make no sense. I spent an hour or two a day, at most, in my car. My phone is within Bluetooth distance every waking moment. Why in the world would I want m…

You picked a bad example. You get any music/podcast/any-other-audio continuity with just Bluetooth. Likewise, you even get controls for music and audio metadata displayed.

What you don't (usually) get from car's regular infotainment:

- Maps that don't suck

- Maps that get updated often

- Navigation that is aware of more than just what HD Radio tells about highways

- Helpful notification when you get into the car that starts navigating to whatever is next on your calendar

- A choice between what navigation software to use

- Ability to switch between audio sources (i.e. go from audiobook to spotify)

IMO Android Auto and CarPlay generally implemented pretty poorly in pretty much anything, but Mazda.

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Post by 0x457 »

faitswulff wrote: post #104

Surprised no one's mentioned it so far, but CarPlay / Android Auto aren't just features, they're consistency . Across makes, models, years. I know what I'm getting when I connect my phone - and if anyone uses my car with their own device, they get their own dashboard, as well. One interesting use case I saw was a couple where one used a left-to-right interface and the other a right-to-left UI. CarPlay makes this easy…

> Surprised no one's mentioned it so far, but CarPlay / Android Auto aren't just features, they're consistency.

No, they are not. When you press "Home" button on your car where does it go? In some cars it goes to CarPlay main screen, in others it goes to car's built-in system main screen. When you press back what happens? When you press Nav/Maps button where does it go? Again, some cars will launch built-in navigation while others will go in whatever last nav app you used in car play. Mazda disables touch screen when car play is enabled (which is good and I like it)

> One interesting use case I saw was a couple where one used a left-to-right interface and the other a right-to-left UI.

That depends on if car was originally made for left-hand or right-hand traffic, some cars allow you to change that (in my BMW it required messing with obd port)

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Post by 0x457 »

drewg123 wrote: post #642
alias_neo wrote: post #505

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> Can't usually be fucked to login for two nights so I just watch TV on my laptop I recently had the idea of taking the FireStick 4K Max that I bought ~1year ago for the living room smart OLED TV which is getting a little older, I had gotten ready to take it on a few trips I'm doing this year, thought I was being clever, unfortunately it died a literal week after the warranty, boot looping constantly. I won't buy ano…

My wife swears by using a FireStick. It was miserable due to hotel captive wifi portals often failing to work properly with the browser of the FS, and even when it does work, typing your name/room number is miserable on a TV.. Adding a travel router to the mix allows you to auth via phone/laptop, which makes things a whole lot nicer. Unlike the sibling, I've never encountered a hotel with all ports blocked. But I hav…

I haven't tried this on iPhone yet, but on android you can share Wi-Fi connection. Many times I've connected phone to hotel Wi-Fi and then chromecast to my phone.

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Post by TooSmugToFail »

Tried clicking the links to the Rivian web page. What a horrible experience.

I have been trying to get some useful info about the cars (e.g. range), and the only option I had was to play a completely useless video which only made me dizzy.

Then, desperate, I tried asking their AI chat what’s the expected range. It told me (great success!) but then it directed me back to the useless page.

How useless.

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

swiftcoder wrote: post #523
whh wrote: post #511

I can’t be the only one who thinks we’re going a bit too far with the attention grab of vehicle infotainment. CarPlay is a fantastic system because it keeps you off your phone. But some of these new infotainment systems, and the complete lack of physical controls, are starting to feel extremely unsafe.

Luckily the pendulum is about to swing back the other way for most brands, as they have to reintroduce physical controls to comply with the updated EU safety regulations

I've been hearing that for years, and I'm still waiting. Incidentally, my 2020 Ford Escape has buttons, which was a strong selector. I hear it's because it was designed for the European market (as the Ford Kuga)

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Post by stalfosknight »

echelon wrote: post #11
valgaze wrote: post #4

Author says "I literally will not buy a car that does not support CarPlay." From July 2022: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro ... Apple engineering manager Emily Schubert said 98% of new cars in the U.S. come with CarPlay installed. She delivered a shocking stat: 79% of U.S. buyers would only buy a car if it supported CarPlay. “It’s a must-have feature when shopping for a new vehicle,” Schu…

Sounds like the Apple monopoly has made yet another industry its bitch. These companies are giving up sovereignty of their primary product to a company that can steer away customer loyalty and disrupt any hope these companies have of increasing their already scant margins. Any car should be able to interface with a phone without Apple or Google's legally binding terms and NDAs. The direction of control should be on t…

What monopoly?

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

rpdillon wrote: post #625
embedding-shape wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even today, while I use spotify on my work computer, it’s basically the same albums every day (around a dozen). Playing CDs would be probably better than switching to the UX disaster that is Spotify Why don't you switch to CDs then? Something is telling me this isn't quite the full story. I'm sure lots of people who don't really need to use Spotify use Spotify all the time, if you really do listen to just a few alb…

The full story is that CDs have a physicality to them that can be somewhat inconvenient. But the concept holds. I have a directory in a copyparty share that I stream music from constantly. It's probably 20 albums worth of music, and it's just in a mix that I put on almost every day, whether I'm driving or I'm working. I tend to tune into livestreams on YouTube for the discovery aspect.

You can still buy dedicated music players with many gigabytes of storage. Leave that in the car plugged into the stereo. They are comparatively dirt cheap from what was available before streaming took over.
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