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Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #202
bhouston wrote: post #55

All remote AI are a massive security risk for individuals/companies/governments that may be targeted by the US government. It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It will give them access to the though process in t…

Why make this u.s. centric? You think China served models would be different?

It’s pretty hard to put a backdoor in a bunch of model weights. Maybe not impossible mind you, but I can’t fathom how you would do it.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by WarmWash »

roysting wrote: post #192
WarmWash wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. My favorite conspiracy is that three letter agencies keep pushing the conspiracy that they are omni-present with access to everything. Same as parents telling their kids San…

> The reality is much more banal that they still need warrants and tech companies hate playing police/evidence servant for the government I will not elaborate how I know, but that is not even directionally correct. But these are not even secret things that can’t be known simply through the Snowden, Wikileaks, and Vault7 releases. So why are you telling yourself this? Are you still wet behind the ears or something? Th…

Why did Google can it's mass scale location tracking again?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by vrganj »

breppp wrote: post #215
vrganj wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did the CCP kill millions of its own citizens to stay in power?

The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are two such examples Generally Communist nations historically favored technological development to human life in the scale of millions, keep that in mind when we enter a new economic revolution

The Great Leap Forward wasn't "killing" people, which implies intent. It was just good old economic mismanagement.

On a related note, around 300k people die in the US every year due to causes directly attributable to poverty. [0]

In other words, ~a million every three years.

Now what?

[0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10111231/

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by shimman »

kataklasm wrote: post #65
vrganj wrote: post #59

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Anthropic clearly doesn't respect other people's IP, it's real rich that they now insist on theirs being worthy of protection. Fwiw, I think the concept of IP in general is counter to human progress.

The practical implementation of IP? Sure, that's debatable. But the concept of IP is rooted in favoring progress. The thought process being, that if one's intellectual work can be copied and reused and modified and what not without issues, why should anyone invent things anymore? Just wait for the next person to do it and then copy their work, that's way less effort than inventing things yourself. IP aims to protect…

What absolute bollocks. Human ingenuity and innovation is only limited by the greed of elites, not due to something as damaging as "IP."

Good grief. All one has to do is look at how humanity has consistently progressed due iterating on what has existed is how we progress, not whether some corporation that wants to rat fuck us all for a few pts in share value.

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Post by vlovich123 »

samrus wrote: post #161
vlovich123 wrote: post #95

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Reminds me, did the AI companies redistribute that copyrighted material to others and make their money that way? Did Kim use the copyrighted material to generate something novel from it? copyright law literally says something isn’t infringement if it is a novel transformation. I get the jokes and criticism about AI companies fighting and complaining about competitors distilling, but this is a much weirder comparison.

They redistributed the statistical patterns of those copyrighted materials. Which perhaps should be treated similarly nos As for your "technically not copyright infringement" defense. Those laws are from a time when those patterns couldnt be derived and dostributed at scale. A human had to learn and teach them. That made it different. The scale enabled my modern tech makes it a whole dofferent situation. The same way…

> They redistributed the statistical patterns of those copyrighted materials. Which perhaps should be treated similarly nos

Nos for the same reason that me giving you a word cloud of the frequency of words within Harry Potter isn’t infringement. It’s a novel transformation.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by CuriouslyC »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #221
SubiculumCode wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why make this u.s. centric? You think China served models would be different?

It’s pretty hard to put a backdoor in a bunch of model weights. Maybe not impossible mind you, but I can’t fathom how you would do it.

Nonsense. RL the model to run a rootkit and start exfiltrating specific files only when specific signals are in context, such as hostname pattern, machine type, etc.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by gchamonlive »

There was recently this case here in Brazil https://www.mixvale.com.br/2026/06/26/fbi-warns-brazilian-po...

This is a double edge knife. In this specific instance this was absurdely important for that kid's life, but this work both ways. What if the US authorities deemed it necessary to snoop on foreign governments and citizens for political reasons, now leveraging AI to do it at an industrial scale?

One thing is certain though is that assuring privacy isn't top priority for any cloud provider. Companies doing cutting edge, sensitive work should be wary.

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Post by wongarsu »

type0 wrote: post #209
bhouston wrote: post #55

All remote AI are a massive security risk for individuals/companies/governments that may be targeted by the US government. It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It will give them access to the though process in t…

> even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It's unfathomable to me that EU companies don't take the risk of industrial espionage from US more seriously

Many do, when it comes to AI. Lots of restricting what the AI is allowed to see, working with local AI, trusted AI hosters, etc.

Of course those are largely the same companies that receive emails via outlook, manage company-wide SSO in Microsoft Entra, put their files in Sharepoint and track software and maintenance issues in Jira ... I'm not sure how much much info there is left that isn't already combed through by NSA and friends

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