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Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Seems that we are finally moving to the next stage in LLM's. not only customize based on old searches but also targeted you based on non disclose data. Its basically the same flow we had years ago with ads in social media.

Interesting to notice that we can do the same with these models.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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So you're saying it's more important to safeguard slop outputs than the original work of human beings.

No, I am saying that there is a good chance that for the good of humanity, society decides that for miracle AGI we collectively forfeit copyright in LLM training yet IP protections for model development is still kept. There are many cases in the early 2000s were copyright protections were relaxed for tech advancements

Does this match the kind of eminent domain case we might see where the country needs a highway more than it needs one particular citizen's house?

When they bulldoze the house to pave the highway, they toss the homeowner a few bucks. If you take an author’s books do you owe him a share of OpenAI?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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It's insane that it's becoming a concern now. It should've ended the discussion from the very beginning.

Enterprises host their entire infrastructure on US-base clouds. And for many, it still is not a problem.

The recklessness of coding agents having access to work laptops and exfiltrating data with barely any restrictions is on a whole new level.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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> Distilling a model is a method that can push the entire market to low margins and prevent companies from making money off such research Then it's on Anthropic to actually price their models accordingly so that distilling isn't profitable. Why does this need a legal remedy when market forces could easily resolve this? > Is it in the interest of the USA, probably no Good. The world needs to diversify away from depend…

> Good. The world needs to diversify away from dependence on US technology. In my opinion further strengthening the CCP is a disaster for the world. A government that killed millions of its own citizens to stay in power is not who I would entrust super intelligence with. But apparently we are not going to agree on that

When did the CCP kill millions of its own citizens to stay in power?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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All remote AI are a massive security risk for individuals/companies/governments that may be targeted by the US government. It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It will give them access to the though process in t…

>It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies.

My favorite conspiracy is that three letter agencies keep pushing the conspiracy that they are omni-present with access to everything. Same as parents telling their kids Santa is watching, and leaders telling adults God is watching. Its extremely effective control and millennia old at this point.

The reality is much more banal that they still need warrants and tech companies hate playing police/evidence servant for the government (it consumes a ton of resources and pays nothing).

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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All remote AI are a massive security risk for individuals/companies/governments that may be targeted by the US government. It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It will give them access to the though process in t…

> "Also if you are using local AI that you didn’t train yourself you can never be sure..."

A local model you trained yourself seems about as good as you can do today.

But it may not even be possible to fully trust a model you trained if you used untrusted data during training.

As a user, you have to trust your coding agent AND inference provider AND models: https://jacob.gold/posts/coding-models-are-code/ https://www.anthropic.com/research/sleeper-agents-training-d...

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Let's not sane-wash Anthropic's book theft. No, they didn't just 'scan' the internet, they created a tool for worldwide license washing and got fined an insignificant amount for it.

You may be conflating the book thing with internet scanning. On the book case, a class action case was brought to court and it was settled. There's no use in bringing it up further, it has been settled, and it bears no relation to the Anthropic v China case. You like programming? Think of encapsulation, imagine if you had to think about f(x) but someone brings up y, now you have to think about f(x,y) and what other p…

My response was directed to your insincere characterization of Anthropic's actions. As we can see from the comments here, the public opinion hasn't settled the same way as the court case has, and that's why it's still discussed.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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post #114

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So you're saying it's more important to safeguard slop outputs than the original work of human beings.

No, I am saying that there is a good chance that for the good of humanity, society decides that for miracle AGI we collectively forfeit copyright in LLM training yet IP protections for model development is still kept. There are many cases in the early 2000s were copyright protections were relaxed for tech advancements

What are you forfeiting for the good of humanity? Would you give up a big chunk of your income? What happens when this batch of “innovators” don’t deliver AGI and only enrich themselves? What happens if they do deliver AGI and (hypothetically) still keep it to themselves?

You come with the selfless proposal that everyone give to the poor $tn companies”for the good of humanity”. I’ll assume this is just hopelessly naive but you post so insistently that it makes me wonder.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying it's more important to safeguard slop outputs than the original work of human beings.

No, I am saying that there is a good chance that for the good of humanity, society decides that for miracle AGI we collectively forfeit copyright in LLM training yet IP protections for model development is still kept. There are many cases in the early 2000s were copyright protections were relaxed for tech advancements

“For the good of humanity we must protect what I’m working on at the expense of others because it’s super important.”

As frustrating as the anti-AI crowd can be, I see why they end up that way when the valley is full of opinions like this.

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