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Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by OtomotO »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #202
bhouston wrote: post #55

All remote AI are a massive security risk for individuals/companies/governments that may be targeted by the US government. It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It will give them access to the though process in t…

Why make this u.s. centric? You think China served models would be different?

Because the topic of the article is about the US?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by shimman »

roysting wrote: post #192
WarmWash wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. My favorite conspiracy is that three letter agencies keep pushing the conspiracy that they are omni-present with access to everything. Same as parents telling their kids San…

> The reality is much more banal that they still need warrants and tech companies hate playing police/evidence servant for the government I will not elaborate how I know, but that is not even directionally correct. But these are not even secret things that can’t be known simply through the Snowden, Wikileaks, and Vault7 releases. So why are you telling yourself this? Are you still wet behind the ears or something? Th…

It's the lie you have to tell yourself otherwise you'll have to reconcile with the fact that the US imperialism has been an enemy of democracy and to people around the world for quite some time.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

type0 wrote: post #209
bhouston wrote: post #55

All remote AI are a massive security risk for individuals/companies/governments that may be targeted by the US government. It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It will give them access to the though process in t…

> even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It's unfathomable to me that EU companies don't take the risk of industrial espionage from US more seriously

Not from China? One country has a recent track record of massive amounts of industrial espionage and one doesn't.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by faangguyindia »

atlasunshrugged wrote: post #213
type0 wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It's unfathomable to me that EU companies don't take the risk of industrial espionage from US more seriously

Not from China? One country has a recent track record of massive amounts of industrial espionage and one doesn't.

I wonder if china killed more people in foreign land or US.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by breppp »

vrganj wrote: post #184
breppp wrote: post #172

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> Good. The world needs to diversify away from dependence on US technology. In my opinion further strengthening the CCP is a disaster for the world. A government that killed millions of its own citizens to stay in power is not who I would entrust super intelligence with. But apparently we are not going to agree on that

When did the CCP kill millions of its own citizens to stay in power?

The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are two such examples

Generally Communist nations historically favored technological development to human life in the scale of millions, keep that in mind when we enter a new economic revolution

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Post by breppp »

tw1984 wrote: post #196
breppp wrote: post #172

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> Good. The world needs to diversify away from dependence on US technology. In my opinion further strengthening the CCP is a disaster for the world. A government that killed millions of its own citizens to stay in power is not who I would entrust super intelligence with. But apparently we are not going to agree on that

40 years ago, when the CCP was leading its people making toys and socks for the US, people like you who never made any change to the world were talking such ideological nonsense. 40 years on, when the CCP is leading its people making AI, robotics, drones, EVs, space station and moon rovers to compete with the US, people like you how never made any change to the world are talking such ideological nonsense. you live in…

I don't know about me effecting change to the world but I am sure the tens of millions that died due to the Great Leap Forward were happy to effect change to the world so others could produce those socks

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Post by maneesh »

faangguyindia wrote: post #214
atlasunshrugged wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not from China? One country has a recent track record of massive amounts of industrial espionage and one doesn't.

I wonder if china killed more people in foreign land or US.

Espionage is murder?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by vrganj »

breppp wrote: post #114
platinumrad wrote: post #84

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So you're saying it's more important to safeguard slop outputs than the original work of human beings.

No, I am saying that there is a good chance that for the good of humanity, society decides that for miracle AGI we collectively forfeit copyright in LLM training yet IP protections for model development is still kept. There are many cases in the early 2000s were copyright protections were relaxed for tech advancements

Have you at tried asking society how they feel about you acting "for their good"? Because popular sentiment seems pretty opposed to AI.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by wongarsu »

breppp wrote: post #57
vrganj wrote: post #38

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Anthropic stole the entire internet. Excuse my language, but they can fuck right off.

The issue here is not whether Anthropic used Common Crawl, Alibaba also does that. The issue is that by distilling Claude, Alibaba reuses the IP anthropic used to train the model that's more akin to historical Chinese reverse engineering methods and disrespect of IP

If using Common Crawl or Anna's Archive in your training data is legal, then surely the same is true for using conversations with Claude. I don't see a reasonable framework where training AI on copyrighted data is ok if and only if that data is not generated by AI

(granted, only meta got caught using Anna's Archive, but it seems safe to assume it's common practice. And even if it wasn't, the websites in Common Crawl are still covered by copyright)

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Post by WarmWash »

thewebguyd wrote: post #200
WarmWash wrote: post #185

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>It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. My favorite conspiracy is that three letter agencies keep pushing the conspiracy that they are omni-present with access to everything. Same as parents telling their kids San…

> warrants The snowden leaks revealed that's not the case. The three letter agencies can just issue national security letters without a judge ever seeing it, and those come a long with a gag order (plus other workarounds like just buying data from brokers, and how US communications can get swept up just by virtue of communicating with a foreign national outside the US). You're right, they aren't omniscient in the way…

Can you explain to all of us what a national security letter is, and what it allows?

I'll provide some helper information to get the ball rolling (see page 42)[1]

[1]https://www.intelligence.gov/assets/documents/702-documents/...

All the other prime suspects are in the report too for the curious.

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