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Greenboots has been laying there frozen in the snow since the 90s. It even became a landmark for other climbers. Im glad they managed to at least identify the poor soul. Who knows how much longer he’s going to rest there..
Is this an AI generated comment?
I can’t imagine having a hobby that involves passing by, and in some cases climbing over, the exposed remains of others who died doing that same activity.
Yeah and also knowing if something happens your team will definitely leave you
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A good friend of mine is a professional alpinist who focuses only climbing eight-thousanders with no supplementary oxygen. Through him I’ve met others and learned about this whole community. A number of people are as weird and eccentric as us here in computer-nerd circles; one is tempted to armchair-diagnose some as autistic and climbing as their fixation, so something like Green Boots or the death of peers just won’…
From another perspective, nobody lives forever. And so long as somebody isn't e.g. leaving behind young children or whatever, what would be better than going out while looking at beautiful scenery doing something that you love? And it's not like it's fatalism or whatever. Everest is now up to a > 99% survival rate, and even the really deadly climbs are becoming more manageable over time. Better weather forecasting, g…
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I mean you do firefighting because you like something about it, maybe the feeling of doing something good. So it should be understandable doing something dangerous for some good internal feeling. Your driving feel good feeling is just different from theirs. The fact you dismissed it to just be "to say they did it" doesn't mean that's how they feel about it. There's ways to be dismissive about being a firefighter too,…
"The fact you dismissed it to just be "to say they did it" doesn't mean that's how they feel about it" But they don't do it for other people. They do it, to say they did it. To overcome the challenge, to do what they are good at. The most other people get out of climbing stories is being entertained (or inspired). The most people get out of firefighters work is having their lives saved.
I hear people talk about the weather, visibility, injuries, etc etc. But all of those, if you stay put they're not problems, right? The only real problem I can think of is temperatures so low that your equipment can't contain heat loss for long enough and your body will shut down.
Ok temperature. So if this is the only danger (that can't be addressed by staying put) then could it be addressed by thicker clothes and/or electrically heated clothes?
Not trolling, real question.
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With today tech - cameras, drones - the tragedy would unfold like a reality TV. Several months ago a woman broke her leg and stuck as a result at 6800m on Pobeda Peak in Russia and died in several days while the whole country was watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbr02F36YdQ
There was a video-stream company that got famous live-streaming a technician who fell when dismounting a condor-egg camera.
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"The fact you dismissed it to just be "to say they did it" doesn't mean that's how they feel about it" But they don't do it for other people. They do it, to say they did it. To overcome the challenge, to do what they are good at. The most other people get out of climbing stories is being entertained (or inspired). The most people get out of firefighters work is having their lives saved.
This subthread isn't about what is most valuable to the world. It is about what makes someone take risks. One guy's superficial need for adrenaline might still represent a much bigger internal feeling of "I have to do it" than another guys internal feeling of "I like to help others so I do this". Because the firefighter only understands taking risks to do something moral doesn't mean others operate the same way.
I also believe there are different views of what this subthread was about.
What exactly is dangerous about this climb? What kills people specifically? I hear people talk about the weather, visibility, injuries, etc etc. But all of those, if you stay put they're not problems, right? The only real problem I can think of is temperatures so low that your equipment can't contain heat loss for long enough and your body will shut down. Ok temperature. So if this is the only danger (that can't be a…
Lack of oxygen, mostly. Bad in itself, but if the temperatures drop to dangerous lows, you're less likely to notice because you're out also of your head due to hypoxia/hypercapnia.