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Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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>I work in clinical trials. I know how they work. You do not. Ah, that makes perfect sense. It is hard for a man to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it.

It's even harder when he's completely uncurious about how the world actually works ;)

Being curious does not help much if you are easily satisfied by bullshit answers, like "It works because I said so!"

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Apparently they live in a nursing home in 2020 still, because no one else is dying of covid anymore. Especially not young or healthy people within the last few years.

im no forever masker or anything, but this is false. we just now have to live with a slightly elevated death rate due to covid

>a slightly elevated death rate due to covid

Is that a fact? Do we now have a higher all cause mortality rate from pre-covid era?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Lots of societies who started with some killing “for the common good” ended in atrocities. The statistics on men under 25 are still horrific and suggest this was in fact the latter category: atrocity masquerading behind that euphemism.

No one is "killing" anyone. That is just a gross mischaracterization. Sometimes (like this) we just choose the least bad solution, that's it.

If you do something to a person and they die after, you killed them.

If you can’t admit you’re killing people you absolutely lack the ethics to compel actions for others, as in your case here.

COVID vaccines and their mandates absolutely did kill people — and you can believe that is justified, but if you cannot admit the fact, it’s a clear indication you’re not behaving ethically.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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> Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because they have legal immunity for the COVID vaccines. There is remedy against vaccine harm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compen... This was passed in response to claims against DPT vaccine and manufacturers stopping production of the said vaccine. Lawmakers feared loss of herd immunity and passed the law. Now vaccine skeptics say thi…

Perhaps "vaccine skeptics" say this because the Covid vaccines are not covered under VICP. They're covered under CICP, which is more stringent and has paid out one person $6 million, and a few hundred grand spread out between some dozen others. My friend who was diagnosed, by multiple doctors in two hospitals with Myocarditis caused by the vaccine has yet to receive any money. It ruined his career. "Tyranny of the mi…

> The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

-Spock, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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It's even harder when he's completely uncurious about how the world actually works ;)

Being curious does not help much if you are easily satisfied by bullshit answers, like "It works because I said so!"

Imagine thinking that placebo-controlled, double-blinded randomized clinical trials say "it works because I said so."

Surprised you don't fall out of your own shoes in your upside-down world.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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>VAERS When you got your vaccine, were you told to report at VAERS if you have any problems? Most people does not even know such a thing exists. Even then the reports from that database is not really considered trust worthy. It is often dismissed with a statement that "anyone can report anything there!"

Anyone can report anything there and it is meaningless in any single specific case what the after affects of single vaccine applied to a specific person might be when extending to the population wide results of that vaccine. There was a particular case in the UK where a vaccine was about to be administered, there was a fumble and a slight delay during which the patient went into cardiac arrest. Had that occurred afte…

>correctly used it is statistically analysed to investigate whether tens of thousands of reported events after a vaccine application differ in frequency

Yes, then that report is rejected because it used data from VAERS..

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Anyone can report anything there and it is meaningless in any single specific case what the after affects of single vaccine applied to a specific person might be when extending to the population wide results of that vaccine. There was a particular case in the UK where a vaccine was about to be administered, there was a fumble and a slight delay during which the patient went into cardiac arrest. Had that occurred afte…

>correctly used it is statistically analysed to investigate whether tens of thousands of reported events after a vaccine application differ in frequency Yes, then that report is rejected because it used data from VAERS..

What's an example of a report rejected because of the use of VAERS data itself?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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post #481

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Being curious does not help much if you are easily satisfied by bullshit answers, like "It works because I said so!"

Imagine thinking that placebo-controlled, double-blinded randomized clinical trials say "it works because I said so." Surprised you don't fall out of your own shoes in your upside-down world.

I am not distrusting the method. I am distrusting the person that claims to follow it, behind closed doors and comes out with only a result.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Imagine thinking that placebo-controlled, double-blinded randomized clinical trials say "it works because I said so." Surprised you don't fall out of your own shoes in your upside-down world.

I am not distrusting the method. I am distrusting the person that claims to follow it, behind closed doors and comes out with only a result.

Again: This reveals an ignorance about how trials actually work. You should be more curious.

Clinical trials don't happen "behind closed doors and come out with only a result."

Clinical trials are run independently across hundreds if not thousands of research sites. The people who run these studies do not work for the pharma companies. They do not work with each other. They do not know whether the drugs they're giving each patient is the real drug or the placebo. They therefore have no way to coordinate fraud with each other and actually execute it at a scale required to both change the results and be undetectable (i.e. massive, systematic deviations on top of randomized data that produces something other than just "more noise"). Each of the thousands of people who would need to cooperate in this conspiracy would be risking years in prison, the destruction of their businesses, and the cancelation of their medical licenses... for... literally no benefit? The people actually running these studies (which are not the pharma companies themselves) don't get paid more or less money based on the results!

Every step from initial data entry through to data analysis is auditable and inspected by the FDA. The statistical analysis plan is written prior to any data being collected, and any ad-hoc deviation from the pre-established analysis plan must be defended to the FDA. No "data corrections" can happen once analysis has started without very specific audit and approval by FDA for each individual data correction.

Again: this is a really remarkable system that is a lot of fun to learn about if you have some curiosity. It's not perfect, but it's especially strong at the massive scale of the vaccine trials because there would be so many data points that need to be manipulated by so many independent parties that it's just a ridiculous notion.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Why do people keep saying 22? There's more than 22 videos of people suddenly falling to the ground after the vaccine mandates. Does no one remember? I can't be the only one...

I said the age of the youngest person i could find who died of the vaccine was 22 (and hence not a child), not that there was 22 people. > falling to the ground Someone fainting at the sight of a needle (or the injection), is not something i, or most people, would consider a dangerous side effect.

i didn't say "immediately after a vaccine" i said "after the vaccine mandate", people doing press conferences, football, dancing, whatever would just fall down.

I misread what you said, as well.

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