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Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by mynameisvlad »

appden wrote: post #25

I’m fully bought into the Apple ecosystem, and I’ve had Teslas for 8 years and we currently also have car that supports CarPlay. The CarPlay interface is overall far inferior, especially with navigation. First of all, searching for destinations is terrible on CarPlay compared to Tesla! Even worse, Apple didn’t even add multi-touch support to CarPlay until iOS 26, and the vast majority of cars (including ours) don’t s…

> The final major downside is having to switch apps out of navigation to control music then switch back,

But... you don't. Tapping on the home button once more or swiping to the right on the app page reveals the home screen which has navigation and music together:

https://devimages-cdn.apple.com/wwdc-services/images/D35E0E8...

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/wgH6RZrtKkuAQkJUjfWW8V.jpg

It even adapts to vertical screens:

https://i.redd.it/n7e0st8ebyh81.jpg

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by thorbutt »

numpad0 wrote: post #51
majormajor wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like, if anything, the right action for regulators would be to enforce car manufacturers to not refuse to support existing consumer connectivity protocols... or at least not unless they can come up with something at least as good. And definitely something that isn't "pay us a data subscription so we can track you too while you use a crappier re-implementation of what your phone can already do." Or "we're gonna…

What regulators and the industry should have done was to devise a touch-over-HDMI protocol, so that CarPlay can be deprecated and its successor sectioned off as they like. That was IMO the root cause of this problem.

This wouldn't be a solution to the argument in the article: Rivian and Tesla don't want to support phones projecting to infotainment

As it is, CarPlay is implemented as a h264 video stream which receives touch, microphone, and metadata from the vehicle, the protocol is fine albeit proprietary

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

varenc wrote: post #66
spaqin wrote: post #65

As someone who only had 20+ year old cars and motorcycles, I don't see what's CarPlay supposed to solve? All I need is a Bluetooth-capable radio and a phone holder to display the navigation, so I can listen to my music and focus on driving. Phone doesn't need to be touched unless changing destinations. Do people seriously need to be constantly entertained while driving?

Carplay isn't about entertainment for me. It's just a vastly superior and convenient way to view the same map you can see on your iPhone.

I have a beater subie (2018). It has CarPlay (fairly basic variant). It also has very few touchscreens, which I like.

I could easily afford better, but have little interest in doing so. It’s low miles, paid for, handles well in the snow, and is in decent shape. A car gets me from Point A to Point B, and I want it to do so reliably and safely. I couldn’t care any less, what people think of me. Life’s too short.

I also write iOS apps; ones that make a lot of use of navigation stuff.

I like being able to use my app to determine a destination, plug it into CarPlay, and immediately get a map to where I want. Point A, meet Point B.

I’m sure that some of the systems fancier cars use, may be fine for this kind of thing, but CarPlay does it very smoothly.

I’m with the author. No CarPlay, no sale.

I really don’t think any manufacturer is concerned about what I think, though. There’s a lot of fish in the sea.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by faitswulff »

Surprised no one's mentioned it so far, but CarPlay / Android Auto aren't just features, they're consistency. Across makes, models, years. I know what I'm getting when I connect my phone - and if anyone uses my car with their own device, they get their own dashboard, as well. One interesting use case I saw was a couple where one used a left-to-right interface and the other a right-to-left UI. CarPlay makes this easy, because the interface is linked to your own personal device.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

intrasight wrote: post #99
varenc wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carplay isn't about entertainment for me. It's just a vastly superior and convenient way to view the same map you can see on your iPhone.

I do see the maps - on my phone. What does seeing them somewhere else add? It seems completely redundant to me.

The car screen is much better, for me. Much safer, and less distracting.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by ProAm »

The author is in a podcast that I classify as Apple apologist. They feel because they have used Apple products for 8+ years the world should bend to their knee. And anytime new non-apple tech comes up on the podcast they do not give any opportunity to acclimate to new tech, because they drink the apple kool-aid. Which is fine, but just admit some products are not for you then if you want the Apple ecosphere, where they dont respect their customers, their developers or their partners.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by SirMaster »

MBCook wrote: post #44
valgaze wrote: post #4

Author says "I literally will not buy a car that does not support CarPlay." From July 2022: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro ... Apple engineering manager Emily Schubert said 98% of new cars in the U.S. come with CarPlay installed. She delivered a shocking stat: 79% of U.S. buyers would only buy a car if it supported CarPlay. “It’s a must-have feature when shopping for a new vehicle,” Schu…

Since then GM has dropped CarPlay. Rivian has appeared following Tesla and refusing to support it. And I thought there were some other existing manufacturer who was either getting rid of it or thinking about it. Basically despite the popularity the market seems to be moving against it slowly. And the more those cars succeed the more other auto makers will be willing to follow.

GM has not dropped CarPlay. I just checked out some 2026 GM vehicles (Chevy) and they list CarPlay.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by asveikau »

echelon wrote: post #11
valgaze wrote: post #4

Author says "I literally will not buy a car that does not support CarPlay." From July 2022: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro ... Apple engineering manager Emily Schubert said 98% of new cars in the U.S. come with CarPlay installed. She delivered a shocking stat: 79% of U.S. buyers would only buy a car if it supported CarPlay. “It’s a must-have feature when shopping for a new vehicle,” Schu…

Sounds like the Apple monopoly has made yet another industry its bitch. These companies are giving up sovereignty of their primary product to a company that can steer away customer loyalty and disrupt any hope these companies have of increasing their already scant margins. Any car should be able to interface with a phone without Apple or Google's legally binding terms and NDAs. The direction of control should be on t…

Android Auto is also a thing.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by etothet »

emmelaich wrote: post #84
symfoniq wrote: post #9

I agree with the author: CarPlay is table stakes for me. Whenever an automaker says a car won't support CarPlay, I mentally cross it off my list. Which is fine, because there are plenty of other viable options.

I love Android Auto but I don't miss it when driving my Tesla because the Tesla has all things I want anyway.

I owned a Model Y for several years, but, at least in my city, I always felt Tesla’s navigation had pretty poor route selection during busy times of the day - like dorecting me to streets that were notoriously stop and go during rush our when the highway alternative was known to be much quicker.
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