As someone who works in a space where we buy ads, I love things like this. Data points like this just shouldn't be on the table for sale. Just makes sure that we don't depend on best intentions alone to make sure we protect people. A step in the right direction.
Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data
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Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data
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This information allows other companies to make more informed decisions. Other companies making better decisions doesn't "hurt us".
And when those "informed decisions" are denying healthcare/insurance/loans/what have you?
I personally see it as similar to fraud if you are deliberately hiding a piece of information that makes you riskier to insure or loan money to. In order to accurately assess risk you need personalized data. So I see this as being a more fair deal.
It's like when the internet made it possible to look up the price of good easily how it made it less likely for buyers to be able to lowball people. These price guides may be bad for these buyers, but it provides a more fair deal for these seller.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an aside… I wonder why “80 mph” was picked as an arbitrary value. In rural areas of Utah we have 80 mph posted limits and prima facie speed laws. A lot of Utah drivers regularly exceed 80 MPH and I’d argue they do so legally. It’s just a weird number for them to pick.
It's not arbitrary. In Virginia that's a guaranteed reckless driving charge.
Not anymore. It got moved to 85 because speed limit on interstates moved to 70.
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Criminal prosecution isn't even an issue because it does not extend to the executives. PG&E somehow keeps paying fines to resolve murder charges. https://liberationnews.org/pges-rap-sheet-the-criminal-histo...
Hence, the alleged action of Luigi Mangione. If the law of the government doesn't catch up, eventually the law of the jungle will. But maybe not in their lifetimes. As President John Fitzgerald Kennedy said: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."
it remains hard to imagine a jury that would convict, fully knowing he actually killed the mass murderer. reasonable doubt might almost work againt mangione
Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data
#86Given the actual informed and uncoerced choice, people say no to this kind of collection and especially its sale or use for any purpose other than the explicit service they thought they were allowing it for (navigation, setting the time, etc etc). This is true for basically all information collected. I'm glad to see there is some minor protection language being included but it needs to have real teeth and get to the…
What's the limit of coercion? Can someone provide a product that loudly says "we will sell your geolocation data" on checkout? Is it coercion if you simply want the product?
GDPR does a great job defining this iirc?
gating the product on unrelated data access is coercive
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an aside… I wonder why “80 mph” was picked as an arbitrary value. In rural areas of Utah we have 80 mph posted limits and prima facie speed laws. A lot of Utah drivers regularly exceed 80 MPH and I’d argue they do so legally. It’s just a weird number for them to pick.
I'd surmise it's because several states (CA comes to the top of mind) set speeds in excess of 80 as a potential felony enhancement. iirc in CA it's 20mph over the speed limit, or speeds over 80. The insurance companies probably want to know who to raise rates on.
Which is crazy because when I do 80 in Mostly PA and NJ I am getting passed constantly.
Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data
#88So let's say a Delaware incorporated company sells location data that happens to be collected in Virginia, but its sold from the corporation with no operations in Virginia. What happens? On the other hand us-east-1 is in Virginia with who knows how many payment processing servers running.
If the Delaware company has zero presence in Virginia then the state of Virginia can't do anything about it. The presence of us-east-1 in Virginia probably will complicate the matter considerably and I'm guessing it's something the courts would need to sort out.
whoever collected it in virginia, selling it to the delaware company would be screwed though?
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Most likely the vendor will make a judgement call about whether they care to comply. If they do want to comply, they will likely exempt all Virginia data from the collected data set and contractually require and downstream user to indemnify them if a Virginia person is affected by their data set.
So, they are collecting geolocation data to avoid selling geolocation data. BRILLIANT
from the Youtube kids business, its pretty clear that even when they pretend to not know the details of whos being targeted, they still do, and sell targeted data as such
soo, might as well have the proper details be collected and not sellable, than collected/inferred and still sellable
Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data
#90NYTimes article a few years ago on how car insurance companies were using such data. Tracking sudden stoos, driving at night, driving faster than 80 mph, etc.
As an aside… I wonder why “80 mph” was picked as an arbitrary value. In rural areas of Utah we have 80 mph posted limits and prima facie speed laws. A lot of Utah drivers regularly exceed 80 MPH and I’d argue they do so legally. It’s just a weird number for them to pick.
Even it it's legal, it's probably less safe. Insurance companies care about your likelihood of being in an accident that they will have to pay for, not strictly whether your driving is legal.