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Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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> I can't figure out what the specific objection to Palantir is. You have to be trolling, a single online search tells you how the company CEO is the textbook definition of technofascism. Take a look at his manifesto if you don’t know

So the objections to Palantir are political? I know nothing about Spanish politics so I assume that makes sense in the Spanish political context. This helps explain why I can't find a specific concrete concern, it sounds more vibes-based. Thank you!

if you take the time to read karp’s manifesto and look into thiels beliefs, then maybe it wouldn’t seem “vibes-based” for you.

an example that may cure you of your “vibes-based” confusion, karp, palantirs ceo, argues clearly for authoritarianism and aggressive surveillance of the general population. he hilariously tries to convince people that the best way to have democracy is to not have it at all. a kind of “to protect your freedom, we’ll take away your freedom” idea that only a certain kind of person falls for.

so yes, people may find it silly to pretend those politics aren’t troubling, particularly when its relating to a government. i’m sure you’re aware that considering political ideas when thinking about how a government is operating isn’t “vibes-based”, it’s integral.

does this one example appease you that it isn’t “vibes based”? if this example doesn’t help you understand, both karp and thiel are not at all shy about their anti-freedom views. they’ve spoken loudly and publicly about them all over the place. if you’re truly curious, there is plenty of info out there you can read.

just be aware, they try to couch their ideas in rhetoric like “the best way to have democracy is to let us take it from you” or “let us surveil you so you can know you have privacy and freedom” kind of nonsense. it’s pretty obvious so i’m sure you won’t be tricked.

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By this logic, Ford and Boeing were contributing to technofascism when they were building tanks and planes for the Allies in WWII. I don't think that most would agree with your understanding of technofascism.

Ford propped Nazis in WW2, maybe that’s why you can’t put your finger on it.

And Boeing? And General Motors? And the hundreds of other companies that produced armarments?

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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So the objections to Palantir are political? I know nothing about Spanish politics so I assume that makes sense in the Spanish political context. This helps explain why I can't find a specific concrete concern, it sounds more vibes-based. Thank you!

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For anyone causally scrolling by, know these people are trolls. The founder of Palantir has called technology an "incredible alternative to politics", saying:

> you could unilaterally change the world without having to constantly convince people and beg people and plead with people who are never going to agree with you through technological means

If that's not "technofascism" then idk what is. Trying to spin that as culture war bullshit is disingenuous.

See quote at 13m14s in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ95Gmvg_D4

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I really like what Spain is doing recently. If it weren't for climate change, I'd consider moving there.

I imagine there will be a lot of AC retrofitting across Europe in the coming years. Investment opportunity?

Ventless temperature control units are extremely popular there so it's probably not an unwise investment but you're not really ahead of the curve. The construction of most European buildings[1] lends itself poorly to anything that requires knocking a hole in a wall but the systems that can exhaust heat through water lines are usually quite reasonable to set up.

1. Though this is significantly less prevalent in Spain due to a lot of reconstruction happening after the civil war - that isn't to say buildings there are perfect, they just have different problems than the classic German 30cm thick stone wall.

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post #163

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For anyone causally scrolling by, know these people are trolls. The founder of Palantir has called technology an "incredible alternative to politics", saying: > you could unilaterally change the world without having to constantly convince people and beg people and plead with people who are never going to agree with you through technological means If that's not "technofascism" then idk what is. Trying to spin that as…

You realize that "changing the world without politics" doesn't mean overthrow of democracy. It means founding businesses to produce goods and services that change the world. Google and Facebook absolutely changed the world, not through politics, but by creating technology.

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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So the objections to Palantir are political? I know nothing about Spanish politics so I assume that makes sense in the Spanish political context. This helps explain why I can't find a specific concrete concern, it sounds more vibes-based. Thank you!

if you take the time to read karp’s manifesto and look into thiels beliefs, then maybe it wouldn’t seem “vibes-based” for you. an example that may cure you of your “vibes-based” confusion, karp, palantirs ceo, argues clearly for authoritarianism and aggressive surveillance of the general population. he hilariously tries to convince people that the best way to have democracy is to not have it at all. a kind of “to pro…

Can you point to where Karp falls for abolishing democracy? I can't seem to find that part.

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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> were living in a world were state debt was seen as the devil's spawn. You’re not kidding, it’s literally set in the German constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_balanced_budget_amendme...

Yes, correct, and thanks for the addition. To illustrate this quite emotional approach to state finances, the policy of not increasing the the debt was nicknamed "the black zero" ("die Schwarze Null") which got so infamous that the employees of the German Federal Ministry of Finances posed as a "black zero" in this photo: https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Bilderstre... Remember, this was at a time whe…

Yeah, I like to live in Germany but the leadership is extremely good at missing lifetime opportunities…

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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post #163

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For anyone causally scrolling by, know these people are trolls. The founder of Palantir has called technology an "incredible alternative to politics", saying: > you could unilaterally change the world without having to constantly convince people and beg people and plead with people who are never going to agree with you through technological means If that's not "technofascism" then idk what is. Trying to spin that as…

You realize that "changing the world without politics" doesn't mean overthrow of democracy. It means founding businesses to produce goods and services that change the world. Google and Facebook absolutely changed the world, not through politics, but by creating technology.

If that were the case, then why do they spend millions of dollars on lobbying every year? Why does Meta have a "president of global affairs" plucked from Republican political circles? [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Kaplan

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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For anyone causally scrolling by, know these people are trolls. The founder of Palantir has called technology an "incredible alternative to politics", saying: > you could unilaterally change the world without having to constantly convince people and beg people and plead with people who are never going to agree with you through technological means If that's not "technofascism" then idk what is. Trying to spin that as…

You realize that "changing the world without politics" doesn't mean overthrow of democracy. It means founding businesses to produce goods and services that change the world. Google and Facebook absolutely changed the world, not through politics, but by creating technology.

Yes it does. He and Thiel are open about the fact they don’t believe in democracy and want to get rid of it

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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I really like what Spain is doing recently. If it weren't for climate change, I'd consider moving there.

Much of Spain is indeed getting very unpleasant in the summer with climate change, but in the north there are still regions that are quite fine at the moment. Where I am, we recently beat the all time temperature record with 35 degrees, but that was a single day. Most days these weeks it isn't going over 25, and I don't think we hit 30 in June except for that single day and maybe one other day. The problem is that th…

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