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Imagine a nuclear power company being extremely cautious with safety and everyone online is like "make more power already you pussies!"

Safety in the context of a nuclear reactor concerns human lives. “Safety” in the context of LLMs concerns not offending certain individuals.

> “Safety” in the context of LLMs concerns not offending certain individuals.

It absolutely concerns not destroying the world.

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Their self serving reasons are irrelevant. The results can be moral even if the players aren't. The key is to somehow prevent any one of them from dominating completely so we can play them off one another and keep reaping the rewards. If China's undermining efforts achieves that, so be it. The fact we're getting permanent access to powerful models as a result is nothing short of awesome. In order for us to win, neith…

Who is us? Personally, I live in the U.S. so...

People. Americans included. The US is trending towards technofeudalism. "You'll rent the computer/inference from us on a meter". "You will own nothing and you'll be happy". Just look at the housing market.

I assume you want to be part of the owner class and avoid becoming a perpetual payment serf.

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> It's hard to not view the organization as bizarrely adversarial to its customers. I was incredibly supportive of Anthropic during the supply chain debacle, as I viewed it as the capricious actions of a corrupt admin. But now I am wondering if it was just a response to the ineptness of their business leaders. From the start Anthropic have been hostile to its own customers, and also trained on pirated books and had t…

What trillion dollar company do you feel like is your friend?

There are none.

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Sorry this is a very bad analogy, nuclear power isn't the same as a LLM, and definitely not as dangerous either. This is ridiculous.

Sorry this is a very bad analogy, nuclear power isn't the same as a LLM Isn’t that the point of an analogy?

That comment was so devoid of thought, it actually made my head hurt.

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Mythos somehow leaking and becoming usable by all humanity in a self-hosted manner would probably be the optimal long term outcome.

Just wait patiently for the chinese labs to inevitably distill Fable without the 'policy layer/neurons' and offer it for pennies. That one will be fun to see.

Sounds awesome. I can barely use Fable because or Anthropic's obnoxious fearmongering. It almost always gets downgraded to Opus 4.8. If the chinese somehow distill it into an open weight model, then I'll finally be able to harden my projects and networks.

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So... it IS China, not just companies in China. And why would the CCP want to give out open weights, hmm? Because they are all kindness and love? No. It is just their approach to counter dominance in the space by Western frontier labs. No need to make moral attributions..it is everything, and I mean everything, about Great Power Competition.

Their self serving reasons are irrelevant. The results can be moral even if the players aren't. The key is to somehow prevent any one of them from dominating completely so we can play them off one another and keep reaping the rewards. If China's undermining efforts achieves that, so be it. The fact we're getting permanent access to powerful models as a result is nothing short of awesome. In order for us to win, neith…

"Their self serving reasons are irrelevant" - I disagree, we have no idea what kind of filtering or injection of BS has been done to this model.

When you outsource your thinking, you have to be extremely careful that the model doing your thinking is acting in good faith. I have no idea what the CCP may have put into this thing. Not that the US based models aren't suspect, but the CCP certainly doesn't engender trust here. That said, I still use them, but I'm under no illusions that "their self serving reasons are irrelevant".

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"Some idiot on Twitter did a game tech demo" has been a thing since, like GPT 3.5 or 4.0?

It has. We can see 3.5 started with text adventure games https://medium.com/@duncanariey/using-chatgpt-to-make-the-it... and with 4.0 it moved up to pong https://x.com/skirano/status/1635736107949195278 As the generations increase, so too has the complexity of the games it can one-shot.

But nobody has nailed "this is a game anyone wants to play" or "professional game development life cycles are shorter" so it's not particularly impressive.

I'm still waiting for any evidence of LLM economic impact in the real world.

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With this Fable release my goodwill for Anthropic went down. "Generous and exciting" were my thoughts when I bought the $100, then upgraded to the $200 sub last year. Now I get big FOMO because I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub, and I got the global limit reset at the same time as my weekly reset (Codex coupon for limit reset feels way better btw). The all-you-can-eat buffet put the nice items into a…

> I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub

With the sub, I asked Fable one question (yeah granted it was a complicated question involving integer linear programming, and I gave Fable two pieces of code to check for equivalence), and I ran out of credits before Fable had finished thinking.

I still find things exciting, but sure they are not generous.

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The claims of 4.6 or 4.7 being superior genuinely make me laugh. Adapt your workflow if needed and use the superior model instead of just kneejerk believing they actually enshittified a model with zero evidence except vibes on an undeterministic model output. Jesus.

Bro, it's all vibes. Models get dumber during the day and smarter during the night, I swear. but I'm not willing to scientifically verify this, so I'm just going to go off of vibes- just like everyone seems to be doing with projects.

Exactly.

The real step change I've seen lately is in the amount of complaining people are doing when their models aren't giving them what they want.

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It has. We can see 3.5 started with text adventure games https://medium.com/@duncanariey/using-chatgpt-to-make-the-it... and with 4.0 it moved up to pong https://x.com/skirano/status/1635736107949195278 As the generations increase, so too has the complexity of the games it can one-shot.

But nobody has nailed "this is a game anyone wants to play" or "professional game development life cycles are shorter" so it's not particularly impressive. I'm still waiting for any evidence of LLM economic impact in the real world.

Yeah, well I doubt any economic impact will from LLMs will ever come. I doubt anyone is working on nailing those things as we speak. I doubt the results my team and I are getting with agentic engineering are real. I doubt anyone can take increasingly better tools and translate that to economic value.
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