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#391

> Until July 7, you can use up to 50% of your plan's weekly usage limit on Fable 5. If you hit your limit, you can continue on Fable 5 with usage credits. Fable 5 draws down usage faster than Opus 4.8. This is what I see in my Claude Code terminal. I don't feel like that 50% rule was there before?

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#393
It is surprisingly half baked for something the company seems to be proudly charging my first born child and both of my kidneys for.

Especially considering its all for the privilege of getting half way through a standard dev task before it just bricks out of nowhere on the 'safety' guardrails because of a keyword that often appears to be created by the model itself?

I've been running Fable on a few different projects and just by itself on same codebase it'll brick, so looks like it can just straight up create its own demise.

I do not think any of us yet have to worry about being 'replaced with ai' if the 'premiere ai company' still can't put out their flagship product with minimal qa. This is embarassing.

And the short 7 day window for subscribers is just taking the piss. So happy I'm paying hundreds per month to be free qa for anthropic, god knows they need the help.

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post #348

With this Fable release my goodwill for Anthropic went down. "Generous and exciting" were my thoughts when I bought the $100, then upgraded to the $200 sub last year. Now I get big FOMO because I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub, and I got the global limit reset at the same time as my weekly reset (Codex coupon for limit reset feels way better btw). The all-you-can-eat buffet put the nice items into a…

Codex is more generous with their subscribers because they are second place, and have to climb the reputation ladder. I suspect if OpenAI was in Anthropic's market position they too would have tighter sub limits, gate-keep where their oauth tokens can be used tighter, and play games that move users towards per-token spend.

Yes, I distinctly remember the recent past when the roles were reversed, and Anthropic was the kind good hearted startup trying to compete with big evil OpenAI corporation.

Wonder how many times we get to see it flip back and forth before this bubble explodes.

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#395

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

Yeah, and I also don't buy the semi-conspiratorial beliefs of some of my friends who think there is super intelligence somewhere being built.

If fable is the best we got everybody still has some more time till the apocalypse I think.

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#396

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

Mythos somehow leaking and becoming usable by all humanity in a self-hosted manner would probably be the optimal long term outcome.

Just wait patiently for the chinese labs to inevitably distill Fable without the 'policy layer/neurons' and offer it for pennies.

That one will be fun to see.

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#397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's so many points of failure before it ever reaches gpus.

Hollywood solved the problem. digital movie distribution to cinema doesnt leak anymore until they are made available on streaming platforms

hollywood doesn't have to worry about state sponsored actors and hollywood does infact still leak movies early, but usually in some unfinished form with a bunch of directors text, missing vfx, etc.

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#398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've built a product based on AI, then diversify or make an abstraction layer so your product is model agnostic and you can plug and play any model. If you're an end user like a software engineer, just use another model or like Gemini or ChatGPT. That is more productive than complaining about a trust which wasn't there in the first place to begin with. Anthropic provides a service and they can stop offering it r…

you cannot plug and play random models. they are all different trained on different data and rl for different capabilities.

OpenRouter would like a word. Also my in progress SaaS would like a word. Models are incredibly interchangable, just find best performance per cost and optimize harness and prompts, easy to have multiple configs for each model.

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Maybe, for some projects, instead of generating code with it, it would be useful to generate a plan and the loop(tests/formal verification),because those take much less tokens than a full project, and than use the loop using the older models ?

Yeah, I tried using it before the 'safety' blocks got too much for me. Its pretty good as an 'orchestrator' calling subagents and being the PR reviewer/tast tracker. Seems really not that much better for coding though, yeah it is a bit better, but not worth it.

But when it did work it was making steady progress on a vague git issue backlog and actually following instructions to carefully break into atomic sub issues and carefully assign.

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#400

With this Fable release my goodwill for Anthropic went down. "Generous and exciting" were my thoughts when I bought the $100, then upgraded to the $200 sub last year. Now I get big FOMO because I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub, and I got the global limit reset at the same time as my weekly reset (Codex coupon for limit reset feels way better btw). The all-you-can-eat buffet put the nice items into a…

I lost all my goodwill for Anthropic the moment I read the bit about how the model would intentionally degrade its performance without telling the user (in other words, sabotage) if it detected frontier level AI research. How could I know it wasn’t going to kick in as I used it to develop a regular ML model? How can I trust such a system? It’s good that they walked it back but I’m looking to jump ship now.
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