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Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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"Enough of my equity has vested, virtue signal engage."

And good for them. If you have the freedom to follow your virtue, no matter how you gained that freedom, why not follow it?

If it sounds like hypocrisy, why? They gained the freedom from the grind and would have stayed if they believed in what they were doing.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Great, two whole ways!! Totally a different company.

When one of those ways is supporting mass killing, I'd say even one way would be enough to make it a completely different company. Your post is asinine.

It’s just a continuation of the very obvious trend. Google worked with NSA on PRISM, CIA on Iraq war, jigsaw was 2010, etc.

You’re not supposed to call people asinine just because you disagree with them.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Holy cow dude, I am not personally answerable for all the faults of a megacorp, nor am I "only now beginning to admit" anything in your imaginary personal history about me that you made up now. This entire thread makes me sad. A handful of people, the original writer and some other commenters, are saying "this corporation has changed for the worse in some ways" and the overwhelming majority of posts are these weirdos…

> I am not personally answerable for all the faults of a megacorp It's not very fair for you to answer for the faults of the megacorp but to be honest you kind of put yourself in that position when you defended the indefensible. For all intents and purposes, looking from a user/customer perspective, Google is just as morally bankrupt today as it was 9 years ago. And that's what really matters. You can rationalize it,…

> what Google is doing today is just as morally acceptable as the things they were doing in 2017 were at the time. We just pushed the baseline down and normalized the ever worsening behaviors.

You can’t hold together your premise for 2 sentences. If you admit that the behaviors are “ever worsening” then you cannot logically believe that it was the same 9 years ago.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Holy cow dude, I am not personally answerable for all the faults of a megacorp, nor am I "only now beginning to admit" anything in your imaginary personal history about me that you made up now. This entire thread makes me sad. A handful of people, the original writer and some other commenters, are saying "this corporation has changed for the worse in some ways" and the overwhelming majority of posts are these weirdos…

It's too convenient that so many of these stories go something like "It was okay when I joined but somewhere along the way things there got dirty, but I'm still clean!" Why is it always that way? Why is no one ever writing "It was always dirty there but I convinced myself that it wasn't until I couldn't do it anymore." Because people don't want to admit "I made a mistake." That's why.

That’s one possibility. Could also be “it got worse”. Could also be a combo of the two.

This “holier than thou” stuff is lame. Shaming people for having a job. You working for UNICEF?

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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I mean you are the one reacting. I am curious what you are trying to achieve except casting shame (implied morality) and shutting down conversation. I assume (maybe incorrectly) that you are just reacting without thinking about the deeper level of what you are trying to express.

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Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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It remains privileged. I have my golden handcuffs too, probably most on HN do. That doesn’t change the reality expressed.

The conversation was > If you have an X that Y > If you have an X, it won't Y to which you added > Your statement is privileged The fact that it's privileged to have an X is irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion was about whether or not an X will Y. And it started with "If you have an X". > I have my golden handcuffs too, probably most on HN do I don't. And I expect I'm not in the minority here. If you're goin…

Sure thing bud. Take away whatever you’d like.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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> Google was a different company 9 years ago. No it wasn’t.

Good Google was functionally gone when Doubleclick took them over. That was a loooong time ago.

They gave up trying to fight search spam and just permanently broke their search in like 2008.

Not long after that (IIRC) they started serving the same obnoxious ads as everyone else instead of their “nice” text-only ads, and stopped clearly marking inline ads in search results, so they could trick users and better-run their extortion racket (“pay us to advertise for your own company name or who knows where the people who are definitely trying to find your website might end up?”).

The notion that they were notably better in 2017 than today reads like some kind of joke.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Not wanting to contribute to war crimes and other violations of international law is "leftist politics"?

I think that is a worse indictment of the American right than I would've been able to write myself. It also utterly proves my point above.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Sometimes. Sometimes not. I left with more than 4 million in RSU's left. Pretty much any Googler who leaves will be leaving lots of money on the table. This is because they are usually 3/4 year grants, so it's pretty much impossible to leave without lots of unvested RSU. There are some 1 year grants, but those are much more uncommon (~1%)

Your total comp was ~1.2 mil/year?

About 3x that, actually.

Timing wise, I happened to leave after my old grants expired and before my new grants would be in my account. I was a VP of engineering when i left. Google pays VP's quite well.

If there's a reason you want more exact numbers, poke me over email.

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