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Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Post by Teever »

cynicalkane wrote: post #201
bix6 wrote: post #62

> Google was a different company 9 years ago. No it wasn’t.

I worked at Google for a similar span. It was different 9 years ago, in ways that are specifically described in the blog post you're ignoring, which I and many other Googlers would confirm are true.

Was it different or are the people who voluntarily started working for Google around that period unable to admit to themselves and others that it was always questionable to work for a entity like Google?

To certain observers this was obviously the direction tech monopolies were going to go.

What have those people always seen that you're only now beginning to admit is an inherently defective aspect of these organizations?

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Post by tzs »

innagadadavida wrote: post #97

> When Google offered me the job of Director of Android Platform Security in 2017, it was impossible to refuse. Yes, Trump was already president—my family and I had qualms—but he seemed contained, even ineffective. Why make this about trump and politics. It’s just a job.

He's Australian. Taking the job meant moving to the US. To do so without considering Trump would have been insane.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Post by shuwix »

bix6 wrote: post #62

> Google was a different company 9 years ago. No it wasn’t.

Exactly. Google's "don't be evil policy" was never applied on Google itself. It was enforced on users, advertisers and publishers. Roughly 15 years ago, it no longer applied to advertisers. 50% of ads (if not more) are utter scams.

Noone cares, money talks.

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Post by nullsanity »

danudey wrote: post #139
Rebuff5007 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author of this article disagrees: > “Don’t Be Evil” wasn’t just a slogan of often-referenced Googliness—it was a north star for teams making hard calls. It definitely counts for something that at least one senior leader felt the slogan was relevant for decision making.

Most people that one would describe as evil do not see themselves as evil, but rather see what they're doing as justified. Saying you're not going to be evil means literally nothing. Don't be the bad guy, ok, but if you think your goals are noble enough then crossing lines becomes acceptable. Google sold everyone on the "we're going to change the world for good and improve everyone's lives and make all information ac…

[dead]

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Post by reenorap »

jadbox wrote: post #214
reenorap wrote: post #208

Translation: “My GSUs that I received at $35 and upwards for the last 10 years have made me enough money such that I can now finally make the “moral” decision that I’ve always wanted to do but was willing to swallow until I made enough money. Now I can pretend I was always the moral person that I purport to be, even though not much has actually changed except my financially-improved courage.”

This is needlessly cynical. Everyone has thresholds, and it may not be tied (at least exclusively) to money. Those that _assume_ that the morals of others are always at whim of financial gain are those that I trust the least.

He is worth well over $20M given his title and the skyrocketing of Google stock since 2017. He could have left years ago if he were really so morally outraged.

There’s nothing more useless than a multi-millionaire “finally” taking a moral stand on something. I guarantee that this same person without the money would not have posted this ridiculous manifesto declaring his moral piety.

If he donates all his wealth away because it was made “immorally” then I will change my stance. We both know he won’t and that’s how we know his courage is really just because he’s rich.

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Post by ryandrake »

lokar wrote: post #146
kyleblarson wrote: post #126

"Enough of my equity has vested, virtue signal engage."

That’s not really how RSUs work in that situation. The number outstanding and vested each year stays pretty steady.

Only if you are getting refreshes.

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Post by dreamcompiler »

danudey wrote: post #139
Rebuff5007 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author of this article disagrees: > “Don’t Be Evil” wasn’t just a slogan of often-referenced Googliness—it was a north star for teams making hard calls. It definitely counts for something that at least one senior leader felt the slogan was relevant for decision making.

Most people that one would describe as evil do not see themselves as evil, but rather see what they're doing as justified. Saying you're not going to be evil means literally nothing. Don't be the bad guy, ok, but if you think your goals are noble enough then crossing lines becomes acceptable. Google sold everyone on the "we're going to change the world for good and improve everyone's lives and make all information ac…

The villain in every James Bond film thinks they're the hero.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Post by cynicalkane »

Teever wrote: post #221
cynicalkane wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at Google for a similar span. It was different 9 years ago, in ways that are specifically described in the blog post you're ignoring, which I and many other Googlers would confirm are true.

Was it different or are the people who voluntarily started working for Google around that period unable to admit to themselves and others that it was always questionable to work for a entity like Google? To certain observers this was obviously the direction tech monopolies were going to go. What have those people always seen that you're only now beginning to admit is an inherently defective aspect of these organizati…

Holy cow dude, I am not personally answerable for all the faults of a megacorp, nor am I "only now beginning to admit" anything in your imaginary personal history about me that you made up now.

This entire thread makes me sad. A handful of people, the original writer and some other commenters, are saying "this corporation has changed for the worse in some ways" and the overwhelming majority of posts are these weirdos attacking them for why didn't you specifically say the opinion that I want, and why didn't you say it sooner than this post I just became aware of?

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Post by dominotw »

grim_io wrote: post #204
dominotw wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Wow, way to throw Mississippi under the bus by comparing them to us dirtpoor Europeans :) Whatever you think you have going over there, all things considered, you can keep it.

i am not american. have no idea what goes on there. All i know is that its one of the poorest states in usa.

I know talking to europeans that they think they are peers of other 'white nations' like usa. But europeans are now closer to countries they colonized than to usa.

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