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Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Post by SkyBelow »

maxldn wrote: post #49

> Europe’s top court has upheld Google’s fine of around 4.1 billion euros ($4.67 billion) over alleged anti-competitive practices. If they lost the case, and the appeal was dismissed, what is ‘alleged’ about it?

Are court decisions universally recognized? If a court rules someone true in one area, couldn't it still be considered slander/libel in another area if another court rules it as not being true?

It is a bit like saying convicted murderer vs murderer. One is claiming the conviction for murder happened (which generally correlates to the murder happening but doesn't openly claim such) while the other directly claims the murder happens. If the conviction is later overturned, does the second claim open one up to more libability for a false claim?

Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Post by Supermancho »

hparadiz wrote: post #42
4thguy wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might need to reconsider how open Android actually is given the recent moves.

You don't even know how good you have it. With incentives like this what company would make anything open in the future? You're punishing them for it. They're gonna make it like iOS precisely because of rulings like this.

> You don't even know how good you have it

ie Quit complaining about the abuse you know about or there might be more of it.

Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Post by Tangurena2 »

jimnotgym wrote: post #125

"Europe's top court on Thursday upheld Google 's fine of around 4.1 billion euros ($4.67 billion) over alleged anti-competitive practices." Are they 'alledged', it seems the court doesn't think so!

In many European countries, news agencies use "alleged" until conviction or appeals are completed. Truth as an absolute barrier to defamation is a purely American ideal.

Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Post by Fnoord »

dylan604 wrote: post #156
petcat wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> take a decade More like several decades and 100s of billions of euros which nobody is going to pay. It will simply never happen and right now all the politicians are just quietly waiting for this whole thing to blow over.

> More like several decades and 100s of billions of euros which nobody is going to pay And now you know where that $4.7B fine will be spent. Why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s?

It isn't Google's money if they wrongfully profited it, and are fined. It belongs to the victims. The government of the victims will invest it in making the victims less dependent on the perpetrator? Well played.

Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Post by plopilop »

eastbound wrote: post #168
hnfong wrote: post #141

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You can disagree with the judgment as long as you follow the orders.

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Pretty sure this is wrong. Code pénal, art. 434-25, translated with deepl.

"Any attempt to publicly discredit a judicial act or decision—through actions, words, writings, or images of any kind—under circumstances likely to undermine the authority or independence of the judiciary is punishable by six months’ imprisonment and a fine of 7,500 euros.

The provisions of the preceding paragraph do not apply to technical comments or to acts, statements, writings, or images of any kind intended to seek the reversal, annulment, or review of a decision."

You are free to disagree with the ruling, but you cannot say that the trial is a parody of justice, the judge biased and the whole thing a conspiracy (cough cough Sarkozy)

Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Post by moogly »

toyg wrote: post #151
moogly wrote: post #145

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I call bullshit on the "very quickly" part there. It'll take a decade to phase out. And some don't seem interested at all (my employer for instance).

Some are more exposed than others.

I don't doubt there are some, but GP made it sound like every European company and institution is working feverishly on it, which just cannot be true.

Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Post by moogly »

petcat wrote: post #152
moogly wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I call bullshit on the "very quickly" part there. It'll take a decade to phase out. And some don't seem interested at all (my employer for instance).

> take a decade More like several decades and 100s of billions of euros which nobody is going to pay. It will simply never happen and right now all the politicians are just quietly waiting for this whole thing to blow over.

I definitely started out typing out the plural, but thought I should temper my words a bit for some reason.

Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Post by [deleted] »

xxs wrote: post #34
xienze wrote: post #19

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More like an ATM. Need some money? Let an American tech company operate with no issue for years and then one day "whoa we checked and you've been violating for years. Who knew? That'll be five billion Euros please."

>That'll be five billion Euros please." feel free to pull out of the market, if you dislike the rules. Google pulled out of China for instance.

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Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Post by nozzlegear »

dgellow wrote: post #195
nozzlegear wrote: post #188

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> Instead, here's a wild take. Why don't they just follow the regulations and continue to make profits. Far more likely that Google is just going to follow Apple's lead and stop releasing new features in the EU that the rest of the world gets to enjoy. From The Washington Post: > Behind all this lies the dream that Europe could be a “regulatory superpower.” It wanted to create a market too big to skip that would, by…

Fine with me. You think the EU should change its regulations because foreign companies might not release some features directly? sounds like a non issue

> You think the EU should change its regulations because foreign companies might not release some features directly?

I don't think anything about the EU, I don't live there. Just commenting on what the most likely outcome is going to be.

Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine

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Post by Fnoord »

ben_w wrote: post #174
Ravus wrote: post #171

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If we're on the topic of hardware, let's remember that a few years before ARPANET, Olivetti was a powerhouse rivaling IBM. The ELEA mainframe came out with a competitive design in 1957. One of the reasons why things did not pan out is that, three years later, 58 years old Adriano Olivetti died of a heart attack on the train to Switzerland. Even discounting the theory of a CIA assassination (which has, nevertheless, b…

At one point in the 1980s, Olivetti was the world's third largest personal computer manufacturer[8] and remained the largest such European manufacturer during the 1990s - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivetti Wow, I'm genuinely surprised. I don't think I've even heard of them before now, despite growing up in the 80s and 90s in the UK. ZX Spectrum, BBC Micros, Acorns, but not Olivetti.

Funny you mention that. For me (Dutch), growing up in same time, Wimbledon and Roland Garros are the two main tennis tournaments. When these were on TV, Olivetti brand was prominently mentioned at the scoreboards. I always imagined they were a brand who made the computers used for the scoreboards, but otherwise had no idea what that brand meant. You wouldn't 'Google' or 'Wikipedia' it. You saw it, you asked your parents (or other peers), and they'd either know or not.
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