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I asked it to do code review of some personal projects, that will only run on my system, and it keeps giving me:

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Not sure if others are having more success.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

#382

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They're great but in fact it is state financed economic war against the democratic world.

The democratic world that wants to price me out of computers? Lock me out with remote attestation? Put me in a permanent underclass where I'm forced to rent computers and inference from the owner class instead of operating my own systems? A world so democratic it's degenerating into technofeudalism? Where you'll own nothing and you'll be happy? China's not looking too bad.

Chinese Big Tech aim to do that and worse, also in bed with their political class. They only do open source because their hand was forced.

Today big pockets and big datacenters are the differentiatior and it looks like even DeepSeek can't keep up.

The only chance if enough people and small companies join forces into a Rebellion of sorts. But I don't see this happening... yet.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Mythos somehow leaking and becoming usable by all humanity in a self-hosted manner would probably be the optimal long term outcome.

We can’t buy affordable memory for Fortnite but everyone is running Mythos locally? Is this the year of Linux on the desktop too?

It's time for this bubble to pop already. We need to get past this centralized, unsustainable, undesirable, Big Brother stage of AI and get on to the "AI hosted in your kitchen" phase before we mess up the balance of power too much and effectively backdoor the US constitution to power hungry technocrats.

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post #382

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The democratic world that wants to price me out of computers? Lock me out with remote attestation? Put me in a permanent underclass where I'm forced to rent computers and inference from the owner class instead of operating my own systems? A world so democratic it's degenerating into technofeudalism? Where you'll own nothing and you'll be happy? China's not looking too bad.

Chinese Big Tech aim to do that and worse, also in bed with their political class. They only do open source because their hand was forced. Today big pockets and big datacenters are the differentiatior and it looks like even DeepSeek can't keep up. The only chance if enough people and small companies join forces into a Rebellion of sorts. But I don't see this happening... yet.

> Chinese Big Tech aim to do that and worse

At least they're honest about it. No preaching about freedom or safety like the USA.

> They only do open source because their hand was forced.

Optimal outcome considering the status quo. I hope the USA and China keep forcing each other's hands until the end of time so that we can keep reaping the benefits of their competition. If China develops their own DRAM and GPU industries, it would significantly weaken the threat of US export bans on inference capable hardware.

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That example is brought up a lot, but in retrospect the concerns about Gpt2 were pretty valid: https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/17/openai-text-generator-dang... >OpenAI said its new natural language model, GPT-2, was trained to predict the next word in a sample of 40 gigabytes of internet text. The end result was the system generating text that “adapts to the style and content of the conditioning text,” allowing the us…

Does OpenAI suspend users that they detect impersonating people, spamming people or generating social media posts though? It feels like they belled the cat just to charge a toll for abusive usage, and now that we've seen LLMs used for real warfare, the moralist angle isn't very defensible. OpenAI and Anthropic are both willing to help kill people if the price is right.

No, they don't

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i believe it's more complicated than that. i know that nvidia offers TEE for their overpriced offerings. i would assume they make use of that so the weights are encrypted. this doesn't mean it cannot leak but it would be a major undertaking. this is why anthropic isn't that worried about having Elon service their models. the workflow would be something like handshaking with the nvidia TEE, provisioning it with your k…

There's so many points of failure before it ever reaches gpus.

Hollywood solved the problem. digital movie distribution to cinema doesnt leak anymore until they are made available on streaming platforms

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i think its a combination of these: - OAIs models are much more token efficient. in some cases their new mythos-level model uses 1/4th of the tokens that mythos does. - they reportedly have recently found another way to decrease compute needed "by half" in a breakthrough - early on, they ensured they have much more compute ready, whereas Anthropic had to disable new users signing up because they ran out of compute -…

Link to source for the breakthrough in inference compute? Are you talking about prefill?

source is the theinformation, but its only for logged out chatgpt users

https://aiweekly.co/alerts/openai-engineers-say-theyve-more-...

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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So... it IS China, not just companies in China. And why would the CCP want to give out open weights, hmm? Because they are all kindness and love? No. It is just their approach to counter dominance in the space by Western frontier labs. No need to make moral attributions..it is everything, and I mean everything, about Great Power Competition.

That is literally the point of world trade buddy... lmao Its just funny how there is some scary boogeyman around China. You do realise the idiotic west gave china everything - from know-how, techniques to IP by benefitting from lower costs of production? What they are doing is pretty fair game.

It was not idiotic from capitalism short-term profit gains point of view.

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it could almost certainly regurgitate something like minetest its in the training data, probably many times, and it was then, too

And that's exactly why 3 years ago we saw people one shotting it in 45 minutes :)

"Some idiot on Twitter did a game tech demo" has been a thing since, like GPT 3.5 or 4.0?

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#390

jiezaz krsit - I just spent $50 in like 3 minutes after running out of credits. this is just depressing. a really valuable product locked behind payment that only large corps can afford that completely locks out individuals. im so over capitalism. I hate this. I can't wait for open models to really just catch up and become the norm so that all these closed models can go do whatever it is anybody does to themselves in…

I wish we would expropriate AI labs and use it for the good of humanity instead of for profits
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