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They didn't become the good guy, Anthropic became the bad guy instead. The good guys are the chinese firms releasing open weight models.

Yeah this is wild stuff. Seeing Anthropic free fall after building up such good will is shocking.

Free fall? None of this recent Mythos / Fable drama is going to even slow Anthropic down.

The HN bubble strikes again.

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post #308

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We've been told models are too dangerous since gpt2. There comes a point where you not only want the boy to stop crying wolf, but hopefully be eaten by one.

And Guinness thought the t-test was too dangerous to announce publicly over a century ago

I don't get the analogy.

Guinness didn't want to make it public because he was afraid competition would start using it, and then lose his company's advantage.

In the current context, the retention didn't happen because of Anthropic. On the contrary, the company wanted to offer Mythos/Fable.

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jiezaz krsit - I just spent $50 in like 3 minutes after running out of credits. this is just depressing. a really valuable product locked behind payment that only large corps can afford that completely locks out individuals. im so over capitalism. I hate this. I can't wait for open models to really just catch up and become the norm so that all these closed models can go do whatever it is anybody does to themselves in the dark. im so sad.

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> Until July 7, you can use up to 50% of your plan's weekly usage limit on Fable 5. If you hit your limit, you can continue on Fable 5 with usage credits. Fable 5 draws down usage faster than Opus 4.8. This is what I see in my Claude Code terminal. I don't feel like that 50% rule was there before?

Opus 4.8 is so slow vs gpt 5.5 that even if it is marginally better, it doesn't matter for my daily engineering work. gpt 5.6 will be out soon and codex 249$/month plan has been incredibly generous. Paying the alleged new cost of fabel 5 would require it to be much better that I remember when I used it last.

I don't really disagree with you, but one thing I will give Fable credit for is that it's much better at adaptive thinking. In general, it's much better at quickly thinking and responding. It generally has—for me at least—none of the slowness properties of Opus, even when on extra high.

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So they nerfed Mythos down to Fable and then nerfed Fable down to Opus 4.8. I assume most people here are using it for coding and other technical tasks, and so are silently getting redirected to Opus.

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I applaud the engineers that work at Anthropic, who have created both amazing products and uniquely intelligent models -- but I really shake my head at some of their business decisions and public comms which have done a lot to damage their trustworthiness in the business and developer community. In just the past month: they decided to silently downgrade (instead of simply refusing) responses related to machine learni…

> It's hard to not view the organization as bizarrely adversarial to its customers. I was incredibly supportive of Anthropic during the supply chain debacle, as I viewed it as the capricious actions of a corrupt admin. But now I am wondering if it was just a response to the ineptness of their business leaders. From the start Anthropic have been hostile to its own customers, and also trained on pirated books and had t…

What trillion dollar company do you feel like is your friend?

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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i did use Fable for a brief moment the last time around, and apart from being extremely expensive, it wasn't any order of magnitude better than Opus or even GPT-5.5 for my workloads (development, prototyping, some api testing). I probably could manage indefinitely on Sonnet class models

Does it need to be an order of magnitude better?

I run a piddly little one man SaaS company that’s doing about $30k in MRR, growing at about 10% per month.

My AI coding costs are like $500 / month on average, but I’ll gladly spend 10x that to double my growth rate. I blew through about $400 in Fable usage in six hours before it got yanked, and it was money well spent. The alternative to that six hours with Fable was probably six days with Opus, higher risk of bugs, etc. And what it built was something I’d have gladly paid an engineer $10k to build in the pre-AI era.

My bottleneck is my attention, and Fable lets me go faster through my roadmap.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These days an LLM + a harness can one-shot playable Minecraft clones. This tech has come a long way since it was first released.

You are saying: it turns out that one-shot playable Minecraft clones are actually pretty simple. Maybe it seemed a hard problem to programmers, but why not just say that the verifiable-rewards training has shown that their skill is unusually simple?

I am saying 3 years ago there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell I could one shot a playable Minecraft clone, and there has never been a snowballs chance in hell a human developer could do so in 45 minutes.

The difficulty of the task and human performance on that task hasn't changed. LLMs performance on that task has changed dramatically.

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jiezaz krsit - I just spent $50 in like 3 minutes after running out of credits. this is just depressing. a really valuable product locked behind payment that only large corps can afford that completely locks out individuals. im so over capitalism. I hate this. I can't wait for open models to really just catch up and become the norm so that all these closed models can go do whatever it is anybody does to themselves in…

Capitalism delivered both these US models and the Chinese models. I get that it sucks if they’re too expensive, but the reality is they cost a lot to train and serve.
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