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Android Developer Verification: Threat masquerading as protection

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Re: Android Developer Verification: Threat masquerading as protection

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post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partially true, HarmonyOS NEXT is its own thing, with a Typescript based language ArkTS. https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/arkts/ And now they are adding yet another one, AOT compiled, Cangjie https://cangjie-lang.cn/en Using Android fork has been a transition step.

Neat, thanks for this correction! Interesting, an entire new programming language.

And a microkernel based OS with capabilities.

Another example that microkernels actually do have market share.

Re: Android Developer Verification: Threat masquerading as protection

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What Google is doing is shameful. One of the promises of Android was being more open than the restrictive Apple ecosystem. Now that they reached penetration they do the switch - under the guise of security. Just let me do with my hardware what I want to do it. Let it be my responsibility to install whatever I want (and stop calling it "side-loading", as if I am doing something shady from the "side"). We need to resis…

It's not just shameful, it's stupid. Freedom was the whole point of tolerating the shittiness of Android. If they get rid of that, then there is no point, and I'll just buy an iPhone instead. If I must be in a walled garden, I'll choose the better kept garden, and it sure as hell isn't Google's.

Re: Android Developer Verification: Threat masquerading as protection

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Emotional talk aside, there's not many good solution to this problem, unless of course F-Droid starts to make their own phones.

But then, Librem 5 Phone was just failed few years ago, telling the story that people who care about their rights are still sensitive to how much they would pay (which is a form of rights too).

Also but, there is the thing, making a phone is not easy. If you reach deep enough, you'll eventually reach the layer where you realize how solid the monopolization has become. The global telecom standards if you read them is in the hands of few companies, Boardcom, Motorola, Huawei, Nokia and such. They'll control whether or not your phone can access the network. Then there's telecom companies who runs the network, and they might have to approve your device/modem as well since they got their channel allocation from the government.

It's not easy, and it's not just the software problem.

Oh and yes, we also have the software problem. Linux, if you want to go that route, cannot be used as a mobile OS, as least not for the public, because the average people don't know how to properly secure their system, and Linux is not a restrictive-by-default system. It will be a malware nightmare if you ship Linux on a phone as is.

The best hope for now I think is for geek vendors to make more mobile/4/5G enabled Fairphone or uConsole-like product to the enthusiast market, and then you can load whatever OS on it as you want.

Re: Android Developer Verification: Threat masquerading as protection

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How does this affect the Fairphone? If I buy a Fairphone now (which I've been considering for months now) will I continue to be able to run F-Droid and load arbitrary apps, or does it come with “official” Android that will contain the restrictions?

It depends of the operating system you install. Fairphone by default comes with a pretty standard Android version with Google Play serices, so it will be impacted.

If you either buy a Fairphone from Murena (with /e/ OS) or from Iode (with Iode OS) or if you buy a standard one and install a version of Android without Google Play Services (like /e/ os or Iode), then you can still use FDroid.

Re: Android Developer Verification: Threat masquerading as protection

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> How long before they designate all ad-blocking software as malware, block installation on all Android certified devices worldwide, and permanently designate all developers of this class of software as malware creators? Classic slippery slope fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope History shows that when a "slope" appears... regulation steps in, technology evolves to solve the problem, or the culture…

> In almost every case, the feared "bottom" of the slope was never reached because humans constantly built ramps or bridges along the way. Perhaps it happens because the slope is called out...

Plus, it is not the bottom I fear, it's the precedent from letting companies slide down the slope.

Regulation may try to stop it but history has shown some have slid to the point of no return or past a point where people can care enough to build out of.

Prevention is better than retroactively fixing stuff.

Re: Android Developer Verification: Threat masquerading as protection

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Android users need to switch to Graphene. Someone needs to create a Linux based mobile OS foundation - Google's domination is contrary to many large companies interests, and if Meta and many other such companies were approached, they may well donate large sums of money in their own strategic interests.

I know Graphene has innovative security measures, do you happen to know whether that includes anything wrt. phishing or social engineering? (For those who haven't been following along: this whole affair started with phishing. People were social-engineered into installing an app and a little later their bank accounts were empty. A big issue in various poor countries.)

my brother in Christ, people who root their phones don't fall for "Hello sir, I'm sir John from Microsoft, you have virus sir, please do the needful install antivirus and send gift card sir."

Re: Android Developer Verification: Threat masquerading as protection

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post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens if you "accidentally" become persona non grata with both Google and Apple? If you want to participate in the society, you will forever have to resort to shady tactics. Shady can be defined something as arbitrary as using GrapheneOS. A temporary workaround like using alternatives like GrapheneOS for those affected will only delay the inevitable but it doesn't stop it at all.

If you've accidentally become a persona non grata, then obviously because you've not exercised sufficient self-censorship. This is real already. Recently saw a petition for EU to rein in big tech (there are several initiatives advocating this). Had this nagging voice at the back of my head ... what if signing that gets your Google Account terminated. I'll leave it open to you whether I signed it. For developers relyi…

Google had Don’t be evil motto just between 2000 and 2018. Other companies don’t even try to pretend it. You are owned by them.

„Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.“ - Lord Acton, 1887

Re: Android Developer Verification: Threat masquerading as protection

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I understand the frustration (I'm an avid fdroid user across many many devices). But this article comes off as childish with the virus/trojan/"malware vendor". With such an article, many (including perhaps google) get the ammo to disregard what fdroid says, by branding them as childish/not to be taken seriously. for eg: no reputable news org is going to post this. PS: https://keepandroidopen.org/ is better done.

The article provides enough evidence for that label. Unlike Google, who can arbitrarily call anything "malware". This is the contrast the article attempts to point out.

Re: Android Developer Verification: Threat masquerading as protection

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post #19

Android users need to switch to Graphene. Someone needs to create a Linux based mobile OS foundation - Google's domination is contrary to many large companies interests, and if Meta and many other such companies were approached, they may well donate large sums of money in their own strategic interests.

> Linux based mobile OS

So, Android?

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