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Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Krssst »

raincole wrote: post #138
tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

> But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. In the case of COVID, the effectiveness of vaccines was quite exaggerated at first[0]. That absolutely didn't help government rebuild the trust. > I do not know how this trust can be rebuilt but definit…

Vaccines were very effective against the first variant, and got less effective with later ones. People forget about the timeline. Article mentions the delta variant at which time vaccines were still very effective IIRC. There were some breakthrough cases as the article mentions but that's to be expected with anything short of 100% efficacy.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by bsder »

tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

> If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews.

Hogwash. Wakefield predated anything Covid. And measles vaccines aren't mRNA and people would rather let their children die.

Had Trump and Co called the vaccine part of the second coming, people would be lining up at their churches to get them.

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by zoul »

Sabinus wrote: post #136
cedws wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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A tiny fraction of infants react to infant vaccinations. But the harm those children experience is a infintesimal fraction of the harm all children would feel if there were no infant vaccinations. It's a trade off but it's one that must be made. The parents whose child died did the best thing they could do. Until we can screen for the infants that will react, vaccinations are the best choice.

They did the best for society, not for their child. Yes, vaccines are the best choice, there is no doubt about that. But the society in question must take much better care of those who sacrifice so much for the whole.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Freedom2 »

dehrmann wrote: post #107
wetpaws wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothingburger like pretty much everything that antivaxers talk about

Dismissing people like this is part of what fuels the antivax movement. Vaccines are generally effective, but they're not perfect and have side effects, and failing to acknowledge that when someone is asking in in good faith polarizes people and makes it look like someone's trying to hide something.

Good faith isn't enough. I just reread some tweets, and there were multiple people who in completely good faith (from their point of view) were protecting their community by claiming everybody who took a vaccine would be dead by June 2026.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by DANmode »

petilon wrote: post #62
timr wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trump one had a sane cabinet that largely controlled his wilder impulses. This is absurdly revisionist. The first administration’s cabinet/staff was a reality show and a merry go round of people like Anthony Scaramucci and Ryan Zinke. If anything “controlled” it, it was just the chaos of incompetence. As far as loyalty goes, I suppose it’s worth reminding you that Kennedy was a Democrat, who ran in the Democratic p…

Relatively speaking Trump 1.0 had a sane cabinet. Yes, there were some crazies, sure, but relative to the people he has around him now, they seem sane.

Getting warmer.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by latentsea »

dehrmann wrote: post #107
wetpaws wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothingburger like pretty much everything that antivaxers talk about

Dismissing people like this is part of what fuels the antivax movement. Vaccines are generally effective, but they're not perfect and have side effects, and failing to acknowledge that when someone is asking in in good faith polarizes people and makes it look like someone's trying to hide something.

Those people are going to be polarised regardless. If you don't give them a reason to be polarised they'll invent one because they want to be polarised.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by qsera »

bsder wrote: post #162
tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

> If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. Hogwash. Wakefield predated anything Covid. And measles vaccines aren't mRNA and people would rather let their children die. Had Trump and Co called the vaccine part of the second coming, people would be lining up at their churches to get them. You can't reason some…

> people would rather let their children die.

I see that your are yourself in a position you didn't reason you into.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by yieldcrv »

nxm wrote: post #109
yieldcrv wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a thread about the world, not American hubris about its relevance in it Thanks for the new toll in Hormuz though

What toll?

The one Iran set up that wasn’t there before US engaged in regime change there

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by bsder »

raincole wrote: post #138
tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

> But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. In the case of COVID, the effectiveness of vaccines was quite exaggerated at first[0]. That absolutely didn't help government rebuild the trust. > I do not know how this trust can be rebuilt but definit…

The Covid vaccines were and continue to be VERY effective at preventing you from winding up on ECMO.

Yes, you may still get Covid, but you don't die from drowning in your own body fluids anymore.

Of course, this only attends if you got the damn vaccine. All of the Covid deaths around me in the last couple years (7 deaths) were anti-vaxxers. But, hey, we know that reality has a well-known liberal bias.

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