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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by d--b »

manwe150 wrote: post #101
d--b wrote: post #83

You mean the stuff the whole world got injected with in 2020? Good to know! Seriously though, I am very pro-vax, but the fact that studies like these come out now is just confirmation that people had the right to doubt the safety of mRNA back then. Many people shamed others for being anti vax but everyone has the right to be careful.

Why would repeating a study now and getting the same result as when it was first measured in 2020 be a reason to doubt the safety? I’m also pro-vax, so I don’t think it is correct to equate ignoring the preponderance of current evidence (in 2021 or 2026) for vaccine protection as being careful. That just seems the logical fallacy sold by “vax hesitant” and social media influencers to make people feel smart to ignore…

By late 2020, when they got approved, the vaccines were not scientifically proven safe for mainstream use. No other mRNA vaccine had been through all the trial stages, and certainly not those COVID ones.

Could the vaccines have side effects that became visible after 6 months? Yes and we couldn’t have known that they didn’t.

Could the vaccines have side effects on people with rare conditions? Sure, and we couldn’t have known that either.

My point is that in 2020, the decision to approve the vaccines and pretty much force everyone to get it was a risk tradeoff. It was way more risky to let the disease continue spreading and mutate than it was to release the vaccines. mrna vaccines had been in trials and there was no reason to believe they could have been harmful. But the reality is that we just didn’t know. Biology is complex enough that you can’t just assume everything will be fine without proper testing. And what we deem proper testing is a process that these drugs hadn’t gone through.

I happily got vaxed in early 2021, and did it again 4 times , so I was willing to trust the tradeoff.

But ignoring that it was a tradeoff and hiding behind a sign that says “science” is just taking people for dummies.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by RandomLensman »

quotemstr wrote: post #124
epistasis wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Nobody's used state power to mandate peptides and social media censorship to reports of adverse effects. As many of us said at the time, the mandates weren't worth the destruction of public trust, especially because the vaccine wasn't even sterilizing. The next time there's a crisis, resist the urge to use the government to achieve outcomes by brute force. It doesn't work and has generational adverse consequences.

How should the US have pursued WWII if government force weren't an option?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by cedws »

nxc18 wrote: post #128
cedws wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Seatbelts and airbags sometimes kill people, too. Sometimes people die in unlucky ways.

Healthy children and young adults were at very little risk from COVID though. Seatbelts are a safety measure that applies almost uniformly across age groups.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

netsharc wrote: post #5
TacticalCoder wrote: post #2

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They did zero trials before those billions of doses! None! Straight from the lab into your veins! /S

There wasn’t a single successful phase3 trail of any mRNA vaccine in human or animal before the Covid vaccines were deployed.

No /s

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Larrikin »

tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

Hopefully at some point the do their own research people will kill themselves off, hopefully before they kill their own kids and family members.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by katbyte »

d--b wrote: post #83

You mean the stuff the whole world got injected with in 2020? Good to know! Seriously though, I am very pro-vax, but the fact that studies like these come out now is just confirmation that people had the right to doubt the safety of mRNA back then. Many people shamed others for being anti vax but everyone has the right to be careful.

mRNA vaccines and testing of them have been around far longer then 2020

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by krmboya »

tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

One word, transparency. Being open about the research and outcomes. This is a situation good science communicators can help with.

Engage the skeptics in open debate and address their concerns, not censorship and embarking on cancellation campaigns.

However uncomfortable it seems, the median person in society isn't going to do a thorough literature review to make up their mind, they'll do it based on personal instincts.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by vfclists »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #100
d--b wrote: post #83

You mean the stuff the whole world got injected with in 2020? Good to know! Seriously though, I am very pro-vax, but the fact that studies like these come out now is just confirmation that people had the right to doubt the safety of mRNA back then. Many people shamed others for being anti vax but everyone has the right to be careful.

People have rights but they also have the responsibility to be scientifically literate enough to know that analyzing data about the vaccine was prudent regardless of anything and does not suggest their prostration to antivax demagogues was smart.

Bruh??

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by jancsika »

tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

> I do not know how this trust can be rebuilt but definitely not by publishing more reviews.

Dear Previous Paragraph,

Couldn't many small published reviews which don't show a noticeable or measurable positive effect on their own build up over time to rebuild trust?

Sincerely, Your Reader

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