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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Sabinus »

snootypoot wrote: post #24
asteroidburger wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking forward to reading about it in The Lancet or another respected medical publication.

do those exist anymore? any publication that accepted the revised definition of natural immunity during the global push for this untested gene therapy mrna injection seems to be discredited. i remember when natural immunity went from being a normal concept to a right wing conspiracy theory.

Shouldn't we all by dying from myocarditis or sterile or mind controlled or gay by now according to the conspiracy narratives around COVID?

Weren't the lockdowns supposed to go on forever and usher in the WEF Davos future? What happened to that?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by vfclists »

manwe150 wrote: post #101
d--b wrote: post #83

You mean the stuff the whole world got injected with in 2020? Good to know! Seriously though, I am very pro-vax, but the fact that studies like these come out now is just confirmation that people had the right to doubt the safety of mRNA back then. Many people shamed others for being anti vax but everyone has the right to be careful.

Why would repeating a study now and getting the same result as when it was first measured in 2020 be a reason to doubt the safety? I’m also pro-vax, so I don’t think it is correct to equate ignoring the preponderance of current evidence (in 2021 or 2026) for vaccine protection as being careful. That just seems the logical fallacy sold by “vax hesitant” and social media influencers to make people feel smart to ignore…

What does being "pro-vax" mean?

That you believe in any claims of vaccine efficacy made by the manufacturers or the FDA and are more then willing to have them injected into your body?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by idiotsecant »

quotemstr wrote: post #124
epistasis wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Nobody's used state power to mandate peptides and social media censorship to reports of adverse effects. As many of us said at the time, the mandates weren't worth the destruction of public trust, especially because the vaccine wasn't even sterilizing. The next time there's a crisis, resist the urge to use the government to achieve outcomes by brute force. It doesn't work and has generational adverse consequences.

I can't even have this argument again. It's exhausting.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by defrost »

antonvs wrote: post #66
timr wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your understanding is incorrect. All research is unprofitable, by definition. Vaccines are wildly profitable.

> All research is unprofitable, by definition. The game to compensate for that is to be to convince gullible investors that your commercially viable fusion plant, or quantum computer, or unrealistic space ambitions are just 5 years away! Invest now or miss out! The line between research and scamming in an ultracapitalist economy becomes very blurry.

It's not dissimilar to oil & gas (energy) and mineral resources ... the outgoings on exploration are a cash bloodletting that often has no return.

The "win" is occasionally getting a steadily profitable field or lode for multiple decades after the costs of proving and the fun of raising forward capital loans for extraction and processing plant capital.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

idiotsecant wrote: post #129
doginasuit wrote: post #31

I'm not sure this information will sway very many people. I have relatives who are all getting tested for t-cell counts related to mRNA because they are convinced they are the cause of any and all health problems they are facing. It seems like the medical professionals who are administering the tests are at least somewhat responsible for their misapplication.

It matters over time. The old kooks die off and are replaced with people who are relatively sane until they find new things to be old kooks about.

Unfortunately a large number of the "kooks" are GenX and younger.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Sabinus »

cedws wrote: post #123
throwaway5752 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was very uncommon. It was also unrelated to mRNA vaccines, it was the AstroZeneca vaccine vaxzevria, and it was based on an adenovirus.

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A tiny fraction of infants react to infant vaccinations.

But the harm those children experience is a infintesimal fraction of the harm all children would feel if there were no infant vaccinations.

It's a trade off but it's one that must be made. The parents whose child died did the best thing they could do. Until we can screen for the infants that will react, vaccinations are the best choice.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by katbyte »

tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

I’m pretty sure it was lost via billions spent on a sustained propaganda campaign no country was willing to stand up to.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by raincole »

tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

> But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government.

In the case of COVID, the effectiveness of vaccines was quite exaggerated at first[0]. That absolutely didn't help government rebuild the trust.

> I do not know how this trust can be rebuilt but definitely not by publishing more reviews.

At this point, quite sure more reviews will only trigger people's confirmation bias and make those who already don't trust vaccines trust them even less.

[0]: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-governm...

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by vfclists »

We synthesise evidence on vaccine components, manufacturing quality controls, and regulatory standards that underpin safety, alongside data from randomised trials, post-authorisation surveillance, and active pharmacovigilance systems.

"synthesize???"

With almost 200 references and the use of "synthesize???" it sound like AI generated slop.

The article is behind a paywall in any case so why so many positive comments about it?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

epistasis wrote: post #103
declan_roberts wrote: post #72

Really glad they confirmed this, about 5 years after I was forced to take one at threat of job loss despite 1) already having had natural Covid and 2) working a fully remote job. But better late than never I suppose.

They confirmed this when the vaccines were authorized. And as part of every drug, there's continual, ongoing, review of the data to ensure that safety is maintained, and that nothing has changed about the drug and its manufacturing. This is the "phase 4" of a drug, continual ongoing monitoring.

> They confirmed this when the vaccines were authorized

No. They didn’t. They said it.

You were the Phase3 trial. You can probably debate the ethicality, the decisions made, but do not pretend they had 5 year data before deploying to the entire world.

Facts matter.

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