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Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by manwe150 »

d--b wrote: post #83

You mean the stuff the whole world got injected with in 2020? Good to know! Seriously though, I am very pro-vax, but the fact that studies like these come out now is just confirmation that people had the right to doubt the safety of mRNA back then. Many people shamed others for being anti vax but everyone has the right to be careful.

Why would repeating a study now and getting the same result as when it was first measured in 2020 be a reason to doubt the safety?

I’m also pro-vax, so I don’t think it is correct to equate ignoring the preponderance of current evidence (in 2021 or 2026) for vaccine protection as being careful. That just seems the logical fallacy sold by “vax hesitant” and social media influencers to make people feel smart to ignore statistics and “make their own choice based on intuition”

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by TimXare »

squeedles wrote: post #46

Manufacturing matters, and six years ago, I said that one side effect from the pandemic is that mRNA technology, which had been lab-scale stuff, suddenly had dump-trucks full of money appearing to help them scale their manufacturing. They apparently settled on the the sequences for the original covid vacs in a weekend. Going from that design to billions of doses is one of the hardest things to do, but once done, will…

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by epistasis »

declan_roberts wrote: post #72

Really glad they confirmed this, about 5 years after I was forced to take one at threat of job loss despite 1) already having had natural Covid and 2) working a fully remote job. But better late than never I suppose.

They confirmed this when the vaccines were authorized. And as part of every drug, there's continual, ongoing, review of the data to ensure that safety is maintained, and that nothing has changed about the drug and its manufacturing. This is the "phase 4" of a drug, continual ongoing monitoring.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by yieldcrv »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #87
yieldcrv wrote: post #56

> The researchers emphasize that, like all vaccines, mRNA vaccines can have side effects. They found that serious adverse events—such as myocarditis, which occurs more frequently in younger males—are rare and consistently outweighed by the vaccines’ protection reminder to the myocarditis-maxxies, the actual virus causes that too and the 2020-2021 variants caused it worse if we were all going to drop dead (I think 2 y…

> reminder to the myocarditis-maxxies, the actual virus causes that too and the 2020-2021 variants caused it worse Do you know if the vaccine prevented the virus-induced myocarditis? Cause the vaccine didn't do much to stop people from getting covid, multiple times even. So many people frame this as either/or, you either had the risk of covid induced myocarditis or you had the (supposed) lesser risk of myocarditis fr…

I want to empathize with you, plenty of medical professionals used really reductive and inaccurate language that should be rightfully criticized. stopping people from getting covid being one of those things

none of those were goals of the vaccine, so its a fruitless exercise to build on top of

they communicated poorly at all levels the one time society needed them to communicate effectively, and lost the public trust

The goal was to reduce the spread overall, lessen the symptoms for individuals, have your own body fight it faster instead of becoming a factory for it, de-risking cytokine storms

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by _heimdall »

_heimdall wrote: post #98
epistasis wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even during the pandemic response it was eventually acknowledged that early claims of vaccines preventing infection or even spread weren't supported by the trials. To the very best of my knowledge this is just misinformation. If you have a citation here, please provide it.

Is your concern with what the studies tested or whether it was acknowledged? I can find you links, though it will be directly to the original studies done for the covid vaccines. The studies were well written and clearly called out their methodology. The problem was with how the studies were interpreted and explained to the public, not with the studies themselves.

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by vlian2088 »

babypuncher wrote: post #99
javea71 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you'll find there's a rational distrust in big pharma

Two things can be true: Big Pharma can be evil, and their products are much better vetted for safety and efficacy than random peptides sourced form mystery factories.

and do you really think a significant percentage of forced vaccination detractors are taking mystery peptides? have there been studies, or are you vibing this guess off snarky reddit comments?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by dehrmann »

wetpaws wrote: post #73
swingboy wrote: post #67

Serious question in good faith: what was the deal with the “calamari” (clots?) the anti-vax crowd kept talking about being found in the veins/arteries of folks who took the Covid vaccine?

Nothingburger like pretty much everything that antivaxers talk about

Dismissing people like this is part of what fuels the antivax movement. Vaccines are generally effective, but they're not perfect and have side effects, and failing to acknowledge that when someone is asking in in good faith polarizes people and makes it look like someone's trying to hide something.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by binarycrusader »

tomesco wrote: post #68
doginasuit wrote: post #31

I'm not sure this information will sway very many people. I have relatives who are all getting tested for t-cell counts related to mRNA because they are convinced they are the cause of any and all health problems they are facing. It seems like the medical professionals who are administering the tests are at least somewhat responsible for their misapplication.

Information won’t sway someone who’s views aren’t based on information.

What’s the saying?

You cannot reason a person out of a position they did not reason themself into in the first place.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by nxm »

yieldcrv wrote: post #61
petilon wrote: post #3

The science doesn't matter to this administration unfortunately: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74dzdddvmjo

This is a thread about the world, not American hubris about its relevance in it Thanks for the new toll in Hormuz though

What toll?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Sabinus »

timr wrote: post #45
TylerE wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he really isn’t. Trump one had a sane (terrible, but sane) cabinet that largely controlled his wilder impulses. This time he went for loyalty above all else.

> Trump one had a sane cabinet that largely controlled his wilder impulses. This is absurdly revisionist. The first administration’s cabinet/staff was a reality show and a merry go round of people like Anthony Scaramucci and Ryan Zinke. If anything “controlled” it, it was just the chaos of incompetence. As far as loyalty goes, I suppose it’s worth reminding you that Kennedy was a Democrat, who ran in the Democratic p…

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