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Re: Meta caps internal AI token spending

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I love how confidently you say this, with no evidence provided (and I doubt you have any.) Just a pristine comment section yap.

If there was a positive return on token spend they wouldn’t be capping it now would they?

It’s possible for something to have diminishing returns.

Having a speed limit does not imply the utility of driving is zero.

Re: Meta caps internal AI token spending

#93
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"The leaderboard, which ranked employees and teams by token consumption, inadvertently incentivized usage volume over productive output." Who could possibly have predicted that happening?

A past employer thought it was a good idea to put up a leaderboard of who sent the most Slack messages. They celebrated the people at the top for being so active. Predictably, everyone started talking in Slack like their jobs depended on it. Everyone was responding to everything. Instead of writing out a complete message and pressing enter, they'd send each fragment of the sentence as a new line. The Slack leaderboar…

This will inevitably be allocated like other budgets, and from talking to Meta folks about GPU budgets, it is going to be brutal.

Re: Meta caps internal AI token spending

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how confidently you say this, with no evidence provided (and I doubt you have any.) Just a pristine comment section yap.

If there was a positive return on token spend they wouldn’t be capping it now would they?

That does not follow. Many things have diminishing returns curves.

Re: Meta caps internal AI token spending

#95
post #3

"The leaderboard, which ranked employees and teams by token consumption, inadvertently incentivized usage volume over productive output." Who could possibly have predicted that happening?

I still don't understand how Mark Zuckerberg has any serious investors, he went on this AI tangent and has absolutely nothing to show for it, despite FB / Meta having built some key tech in the space. He needs to stop trying to do something "different" and literally try and build a serious coding agent he can sell, he could have probably had something worthwhile in that space by now. He started being drastically more…

>he could have rented GPUs the way Elon did at this point

"Meta building cloud business to sell excess AI capacity, Bloomberg News reports Meta building cloud business to sell excess AI capacity, Bloomberg News reports"

https://www.reuters.com/business/meta-sell-excess-ai-computi...

Re: Meta caps internal AI token spending

#96
post #62

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The leaderboard wasn't leadership generated, it was engineer generated from internally available data. The leadership target is "impact" from ai tools.

What a wonderful scapegoat! Technically it's all "engineer created" because the managers generally don't do technical work. I bet many managers pushed their reports to increase their usage during their 1:1 meetings based on data from the leaderboard. If management had any sense that it was a bad metric, they had ample time to get ahead of it and take it down and provide appropriate guidance. Instead, predictably, the…

At one point there were over 70 different token maxing dashboards as the management had a game of whack a mole trying to remove them. There definitely was encouragement from management about a year ago to increase ai usage, but once Claude code was allowed, they didn't really need to encourage anyone any more.

Re: Meta caps internal AI token spending

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A past employer thought it was a good idea to put up a leaderboard of who sent the most Slack messages. They celebrated the people at the top for being so active. Predictably, everyone started talking in Slack like their jobs depended on it. Everyone was responding to everything. Instead of writing out a complete message and pressing enter, they'd send each fragment of the sentence as a new line. The Slack leaderboar…

What is about silicon valley leaders not understanding basic economics or business management? These kind of cargo cult tactics would not fly in any other industry.

These kind of cargo cult tactics show up in all kinds of businesses.

But yeah, it's like they've never actually met human beings...

Re: Meta caps internal AI token spending

#98
post #35

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You have to realize that if you set a measure, you're actually setting a goal for your employees. There is no such thing as a meaningless metric; why else would you measure it? No amount of "this isn't used for anything" will change that. It's inherent in human nature in the 21st century to believe any and all metrics will be used against them, and therefore must be gamed. It's why you also have to set UNBELIEVABLY c…

I wonder if this should be codified as a rule of thumb, or an unofficial "law"? One perhaps we can reference easily among our peers.

You mean like Goodhart's Law? (Unless you're being sarcastic)

Re: Meta caps internal AI token spending

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And I still can't exhaust the limits on my Claude Max subscription, despite being more productive than I've ever been in terms of real work (ie, things that actually make money)

For real. I've used 8B tokens in the past month and haven't hit my limits even once. In fact, I can't even get close except for the day I used Fable. I've barely stopped. Claude keeps reminding me to sleep.

Re: Meta caps internal AI token spending

#100
Judging from the decisions and outputs of the last decade or so, the leadership at Meta, including Mark Zuckerberg, have got to be among the most incompetent I have ever seen. They go all in on the worst decisions; not just the worst in hindsight, but also the worst at the time. The only thing keeping them afloat is their monopoly from past purchases. They are a posterchild for why the US is no longer a properly capitalist nation.
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