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I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

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Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Mythos somehow leaking and becoming usable by all humanity in a self-hosted manner would probably be the optimal long term outcome.

We can’t buy affordable memory for Fortnite but everyone is running Mythos locally? Is this the year of Linux on the desktop too?

If models leak and the AI bubble implodes, memory could become cheap again.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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We can’t buy affordable memory for Fortnite but everyone is running Mythos locally? Is this the year of Linux on the desktop too?

I think they meant more "every country can host it", as opposed to "every human hosts it at home".

I'll take what I can get.

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Same problem, in-progress book about language and thermodynamics gets flagged. Their classifier is just a regex I guess?

Off and on topic I guess but: Language and Thermodynamics? Like, the same book? That sounds interesting.

Holding symbols in a useful order durably and accessibly is an ongoing energetic event. How/why does it happen?

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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most of it is overstated because of marketing. in fact the ban looked like an inside job by the current administration to play with the stock value. if the ban did anything it was to make every n00b agree that Anthropic was so far ahead of its times it needed to be banned.

I feel like I'm loosing my mind with the way people are falling for the marketing with every iteration. Is it better, sure but it's still just a LLM.

These days an LLM + a harness can one-shot playable Minecraft clones. This tech has come a long way since it was first released.

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Until 7th,Fable is twice expensive in subscription tokens than Opus. They are testing if they can introduce 400 dollars Fable subscription.

This sort of thing drives people to more open competitors. I use both every day and Opus isn't that much better than the Chinese SOTA. If corporate policy allowed me to use GLM or DeepSeek I absolutely would. Claude is already pricey for what it offers.

Really depends what you're working on. GLM 5.2 is doing excellent webdev work for me but really faffed up when working on a custom garbage collector that Opus has no problems with.

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#297

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

Im of the opinion it’s all marketing and the government has continually shown themselves to be insider traders.

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I never strongly considered open weight models before getting throttled all the time from Claude. I bought a 1 year pro subscription but my bet is I won’t renew it. The Claude “usage” UX is very bad. At the most basic level, there is no way to know what you’re actually paying for if you buy a “pro” plan or a “max” plan. Dario will take your $200 but he will give you a secret number of tokens in return. I have no way…

I mean if you want to spend $200, and get a guaranteed amount of tokens in return you should be using the API. I agree there should be more transparency what 20x gets you that 5x doesn't. Though I also imagine it's a tough problem when you could be using Dispatch, Cowork, design, chat, code, etc. All of which use different contexts, models, and resources. I'd argue they actually need to either simplify their offering…

If products use different amounts of tokens, that’s fine. That’s fundamental to the products. But that’s the numerator, which they aren’t telling you.

I’m also saying the denominator isn’t clear. One day it might be a million. Tomorrow 2 million. The next day 800k. Who knows.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

#299

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

We've been told models are too dangerous since gpt2. There comes a point where you not only want the boy to stop crying wolf, but hopefully be eaten by one.

I don’t fully agree with this sentiment. Just because we were told something and it didn’t come true before, it doesn’t mean it can’t come true now, and that the capabilities are there now.

At this point we have enough of real evidence from project glasswing like the massive Firefox security patches from Mythos findings. This isn’t crying wolf.

I’m very glad that they’re actually being grownups and not yolo’ing something this important, and are working with groups until we can secure critical infrastructure before making this more available.

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#300

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

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