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Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For

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Re: Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For

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We need some kind of modern equivalent to the old proposed Digital Media Consumer's Rights Act but which protects people's rights to digital media they buy. These should never be sold and then taken away with no compensation like this. We need a law that forces companies to treat digital files the same as a physical purchase. They can't take it away and have to allow people to resell and loan out as well. And in case…

> I know it'll never happen with the people we have in government these days, and the anti-consumer organizations, like the ESA, that are out there now claiming things like running private servers for Minecraft is illegal and piracy. (Yes, they really said that. Despite the fact that Minecraft has always provided the server and allowed this for 15+ years)

I really do not understand how it is not considered treason to give blatantly false testimony to lawmakers. Lawmakers, even the most upstanding and righteous ones, have to rely on the testimony of experts and if those experts can just make up whatever they want then democracy is not worth shit when it can be circumvented like that.

Re: Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For

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Seems like a bad assumption at this point even if it goes against expectations. We've seen on multiple occasions now from different companies where a digital purchase wasn't forever. This is no way an endorsement of the behavior, but if that's your assumption then the quip "you know what happens when you assume" wins again.

So the default assumption should be that big companies are actively trying to defraud you? The difference between "rent" and "purchase" has always been very clear: with the former you have to give it back, with the latter you own it forever . It is only very recently that this kind of steal-back has even become possible at all , as it can only be done with digital content delivery to an entirely-closed platform. "You…

Whether you want to or not, that's pretty much where we live now. A default position of "every company is trying to defraud me" is not a bad position to take. As you find out a company is less of a criminal, then you can relax your position, but if you go in relaxed and need to tighten up, you've probably already been screwed out of something.

The "rent" vs "purchase" has never been different than it is now. Yes, purchase is a very deceiving word by design. The thing bringing it to the forefront is that they never were able to rip that physical product sold to you in the way they can with the digital product. That seems to have made people pay attention to the legalese that has always been there.

Re: Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For

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Yep. I had tons of Sony games across the first three Playstation consoles. I was a grad student with a PS3 at the time and I actually used Yellow Dog Linux on it as a computer to write papers when my laptop broke. Then the update came and I chose to ignore it, but that meant I couldn't play online games. Soon new games required a firmware update (still remember putting in the Dark Souls disc and being stunned I wasn'…

I joined the class action lawsuit and got a small check a decade later. My proof that I had OtherOS ended up being timestamped whinging on the ars technica forums. My ps3 stopped working shortly after receiving the check due to bad solder, which was I guess fitting.

I got my $10 too. I remember laughing at the amount when I got the check. Thankfully after the OtherOS issue people worked to crack open the PS3, so by the time I got that check I had long since installed custom firmware on it.

Re: Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For

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Yep. I had tons of Sony games across the first three Playstation consoles. I was a grad student with a PS3 at the time and I actually used Yellow Dog Linux on it as a computer to write papers when my laptop broke. Then the update came and I chose to ignore it, but that meant I couldn't play online games. Soon new games required a firmware update (still remember putting in the Dark Souls disc and being stunned I wasn'…

Kinda. On Steam I can still play games I bought 18 years ago. Still walled garden, but they act way better.

I’m wondering what happens when Gabe dies?

Re: Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For

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We’re all familiar with all the ways this sucks, of course, so I’ll discuss something else:

The fact that someone like Sony can’t negotiate a contract that provides perpetual re-download rights to customers is embarrassing. I doubt that would have cost any money. No movie studio would have objected to the idea that the original buyer gets to keep the non-transferable media forever.

I guess they just didn’t think of it? What law school did these Sony lawyers go to, anyway?

Does Sony just not even care about their brand image at all? This was entirely avoidable.

Re: Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For

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Not sure if you know this, but this is literally the Stop Killing Games movement. Despite the recent apparent setback as reported in the news, the organisers are in talks with EU MPs that are writing sweeping legislation to address this sort of thing across all digital mediums. You only need legislation like this to hold in one major market to make a big difference.

I think this is going to have unintended consequences if it goes through: funding game development is a very very high risk investment. Adding this type of regulation adds further cost and complication, which makes it an even less attractive investment. Which will result in less monetary and creative risk taken. Even just open sourcing part of project is expensive. Legal and technical.

This argument is always pretty weak. All regulation adds cost and complication for companies. If that alone was a good reason to not add regulation, then taken to the logical conclusion, there should be no regulation on companies.

Regulation needs to be seen as a trade-off, for example: We get better behaving companies, and the cost is less risk taken. Then the question becomes "is the benefit worth the cost?"

Re: Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For

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post #168

We need some kind of modern equivalent to the old proposed Digital Media Consumer's Rights Act but which protects people's rights to digital media they buy. These should never be sold and then taken away with no compensation like this. We need a law that forces companies to treat digital files the same as a physical purchase. They can't take it away and have to allow people to resell and loan out as well. And in case…

We need consumer boycotts, not legislation. I find it hilarious that people would continue to buy (or license) content from a trash company like Sony after they were caught literally installing rootkits on customer computers. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...

> We need consumer boycotts, not legislation.

We need both. 'Buyer Beware' and 'The invisible hand' are necessary but insufficient to correct corporate bad behavior.

Re: Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For

#179

We’re all familiar with all the ways this sucks, of course, so I’ll discuss something else: The fact that someone like Sony can’t negotiate a contract that provides perpetual re-download rights to customers is embarrassing. I doubt that would have cost any money. No movie studio would have objected to the idea that the original buyer gets to keep the non-transferable media forever. I guess they just didn’t think of i…

These vague licensing complications seem to be unnecessary "own goals" the industry keep scoring on itself over and over.

Rights to distribute via digital download are separate from rights to stream, which are separate from rights to broadcast, which are separate from DVD rights, and then multiply that by every rights holder and "region" out there. Good grief! Why do they deliberately make it so complicated?

Re: Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For

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> The Pirate Bay is considered one of the worst pirate sites now I'm curious. What are the best sites nowadays? Still torrents, right? I used to be in the know but switched to legit things a while back so I wouldn't have to explain how dad is getting Bluey episodes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1337x

- Type the name of the media you are after into the search bar.

- Click search.

- Close the tab tab that opens to opera.com

- Click search again

- Close the starfleetacommand.com tab

- Click search again

- Close the jerkmaate.net tab

- Find your media.

- Click the magnet link

- Close the livetruematch.com tab

The site is garbage.

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