Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

571–580 of 736 posts

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#571

Post by skeledrew »

jitl wrote: post #489
skeledrew wrote: post #288

Can't do anything else with GLM 5.2 being widely available and advertised as "Mythos-like", and even Japan dropping a credible model. Actually it would only hurt to keep them in lockdown.

> even Japan dropping a credible model if fugu/fugu ultra was good, why aren’t we hearing about how good it is? seems super slow and expensive, and everyone i’ve talked to who tried it gave up

That's at least better than the nothing we've been hearing all this time. Japan being what it is re tech, I expected them to be heavy in the space, but Fugu is the first LLM I'm seeing gain attention in the news. Although that attention is still also boosted by the timely release during the export control. It's strange.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#573

Post by satvikpendem »

csallen wrote: post #143
NortySpock wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, and? You can live with that if there are more important things to deal with. I've stared at ugly LLM code, that I had just had generated, and worked well enough for my purposes. (generally, some quick recursion into a nested python dictionary in order to dig out some property -- especially for linting or quick data analysis). And I wanted something better, sure, something a bit more readable ...but I just needed…

You're on Hacker News. This is a site full of developers who are convinced that "proper software engineering" is 100% of what makes a business successful, and everything and everyone else is useless. You can't just waltz in here and point out that code in business is a means to an end and expect not to get downvoted.

It's ironic because around 20 years ago here, people knew HN was (more) explicitly for startup founders and the comments reflected that, with much more discussion on getting customers than writing code.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#574

Post by zamalek »

aspenmartin wrote: post #488
zamalek wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, don't forget that we're only here because the clown-in-chief cut them off from GPUs - forcing them to make do with inferior hardware (and hence superior ideas). I have no doubt that any controls would only make China stronger.

Its like any other sanction, its designed to slow not stop

You misunderstood my comment. My hypothesis is that it did _neither:_ it accelerated along an axis, and American SOTA/frontier is now laggard (efficiency).

Deepseek and Kimi are writing paper after paper with substantial architecture improvements for efficiency, because they can't just throw more hardware at the problem.

And China is now doing something on the hardware axis; which it may have never explored were it not for the sanctions.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#575

Post by Laurel1234 »

petilon wrote: post #560
spacedcowboy wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, this is not necessarily a problem for the EU. Some might say it's a goal. The USA is far more dangerous a "friend" than China is an acquaintance. China has not been threatening military annexation, China does not randomly start trade (or real) wars. China doesn't just turn away from international commitments. Bottom line: China is a far better international partner than the USA.

> China has not been threatening military annexation Maybe not in Europe, but ask their Asian neighbors. > The USA is far more dangerous a "friend" than China is an acquaintance. That's true and will continue to be true for 2.5 more years. European countries too have had bad leaders (like Germany), but have recovered. So too will the US. > China is a far better international partner than the USA. China is not a democ…

> China is not a democracy and does not share western values.

True, but neither is the US.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#576

Post by mlyle »

jonathrg wrote: post #392
mlyle wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opinions vary, but: A couple: usually 2, though not always A few: 3, 4, 5 Several: 4, 5, 6, or 7.

Several and a few are the same number, they only differ rhetorically.

I think several is used by most speakers for larger quantities than few. It has the connotation of being larger, and that changes usage.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#577

Post by levocardia »

nickv wrote: post #83

I bet you that nothing changed with how Fable 5 is run. "Anthropic has agreed to proactively detect and address security risks associated with the models" LOL, this was already happening. This clown car administration just keeps making shit up and then backpedalling in a way that just leaves everything worse.

I'll take the opposite side of that bet. My prediction is that Fable 5 Re-Release will have safety classifiers that flag much more often on mundane front-end and back-end coding tasks.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#578

Post by satvikpendem »

echelon wrote: post #230
slopinthebag wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lmao. Have more respect for your elders, who wrote all the code that your ai psychosis is fuelled by.

Every single thing around you was pioneered by people who are dead and forgotten. From the materials science of the clothes you wear, to the very language you speak. Get over yourself. We're all ephemeral, dead and recycled in the blink of an eye. Our species doesn't even clock on the geologic timespan. If you think your code (or any of your artifacts or possessions) matter beyond their immediate utility, you're mist…

Look upon my works, the mighty, and despair!

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#579

Post by levocardia »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #262
artisin wrote: post #224

Silly me for hoping they'd actually honor their original 14-day promise. Per their latest blog post, they've generously slashed the timeline to 7 days, but wait there's more! It's now limited to 50% of your weekly usage: > Fable 5 will be available starting tomorrow, Wednesday, July 1, to users globally... Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available v…

Hi subscription peasants! You have seven days of time and 3.5 days of usage to figure out how to get the most out of Fable while it constantly downgrades to Opus 4.8 every time it thinks about exploits while hardening your code base! Enjoy!

3.5 days to escape the permanent underclass ;_;

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#580

Post by satvikpendem »

nl wrote: post #208
peter422 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sacks has said so many obviously false things in reference to government actions (Jan 6th, Ukraine, etc) that there is no reason to trust anything he says. If the Trump administration wants him to say something, he says it. Maybe what he is saying is true, maybe it isn’t. There is no way to know. The story they are telling is exactly the same whether it was true or they were just shaking down Anthropic for no reason.

I think this is oversimplifying things. There are many different factions within the administration. Sacks was part of the "deregulate the tech sector" faction, which on this issue is aligned with the "beating China overrides anything" faction. That's distinct from the Pete Hegseth faction (I don't really know how to characterize his faction other than anti-woke maybe?). Sometimes these factions agree, sometimes they…

> But you can try to unpick was actually happened by who is saying what, when

Indeed, this is very prevalent in investigative journalism as well. Everyone has biases, but it's understanding that and piecing together the various parts that brings the truth out.

Post reply on HN