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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Forgeties79 »

glimshe wrote: post #506
Forgeties79 wrote: post #474

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It’s in increasing but they still haven’t gotten into the black. I’m pretty sure nobody has yet, right?

Probably not, but I think the investors care more about users and subscriptions than profits at this point.

That’s the old model for sure but we’ve never seen this much investment this rapidly. They have to be getting cold feet by now. Hence anthropic going public. If they had a strategy for getting in the black AND longterm viability I feel like we’d see them roll private longer. But instead we’re seeing all the signs of “grow, exit, let the next dude figure it out.”

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by naim08 »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #553
burnerRhodov3 wrote: post #535

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Europe seems to be going through an identity crisis lately, and i hope this sentiment doesn't continue. Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US.

I mean, this is not necessarily a problem for the EU. Some might say it's a goal. The USA is far more dangerous a "friend" than China is an acquaintance. China has not been threatening military annexation, China does not randomly start trade (or real) wars. China doesn't just turn away from international commitments. Bottom line: China is a far better international partner than the USA.

> taiwan? > hk? trade wars... have you actually looked at how china uses trade as political bargaining tool??? Look at how China treats Japan, south korea, etc

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by bloppe »

squidbeak wrote: post #542
burnerRhodov3 wrote: post #535

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Europe seems to be going through an identity crisis lately, and i hope this sentiment doesn't continue. Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US.

Europe may face technological and economic challenges, but one thing it isn't suffering is 'an identity' crisis - except in the daydreams of right wing propagandists. The EU's identity is represented in its charter and the various treaties behind it. > Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US There are sound reasons to avoid reliance on China, b…

If AfD, RN, Futuro Nazionale and their ilk stay on their current trajectory, the identity crisis will become much harder to ignore

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jamiequint »

squidbeak wrote: post #542
burnerRhodov3 wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe seems to be going through an identity crisis lately, and i hope this sentiment doesn't continue. Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US.

Europe may face technological and economic challenges, but one thing it isn't suffering is 'an identity' crisis - except in the daydreams of right wing propagandists. The EU's identity is represented in its charter and the various treaties behind it. > Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US There are sound reasons to avoid reliance on China, b…

"Fading superpower" is typical EU cope. It may help to be a little bit introspective about why one might want to oppose EU politics, or its leaders, whose "leadership" over the last decade has led to unprecedented migrant, economic, and energy crises, and stalling growth.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Matl »

nolok wrote: post #543
addandsubtract wrote: post #500

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You've mentioned the Iran airstrike twice now. Do you have a source for them using an LLM for their "intelligence" / decision making?

You can find a source for it being used here [1] though parent is misrepresenting it either on purpose or by lacking understanding, I stand to my point above, the timeline is 1. the US used it, in venezuela then to prepare Iran 2. it became public through journals reporting it, but they didn't really hide from it afterwards and told explicitely what and who they used, naming anthropic 3. Diego (the CEO) answered by s…

What part am I misrepresenting, Anthropic CEO explicitly states he's ok with military use as long as there's a human in the loop[1].

He states the Iran school strike 'doesn't even violate our red lines'.

Can you clarify what am I misrepresenting please?

1 - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7DOQlIQxz5M?cbrd=1

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by tyleo »

bronlund wrote: post #547

Its too little, too late. LLMs are going to go the same way as 3D printers, action cameras, vacuums, TVs, drones, cars, phones, whatever. The west just don't know how to compete in the long run. The greed is eating itself up.

Idk, I look at the list of the top companies and they seem to be based on US IP.

I agree that the US is falling behind in the areas you mention but that analysis fails to recognize the value of markets the US is dominant in.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Matl »

addandsubtract wrote: post #500
Matl wrote: post #466

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> He's the one who led the choice to refuse working with the gov for surveillance or defense This is false and just Anthropic being good at PR. He's happy to let it be used for airstrikes on Iran for example, just wants to keep a human in the loop. So the AI will say 'I am extremely sure this building (a girl school) is a military base' and the human will say 'I am being asked to carry out more airstrikes and who am…

You've mentioned the Iran airstrike twice now. Do you have a source for them using an LLM for their "intelligence" / decision making?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7DOQlIQxz5M?cbrd=1

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

throwaw12 wrote: post #366
Aurornis wrote: post #269

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> The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. The switching costs of changing LLM providers is as low as it gets. All the individuals and startups I know try different models all of the time, even down to the level of choosing which provider to use based on the task. Bigger companies move slower but only beca…

> The switching costs of changing LLM providers is as low as it gets Not trivial, you would need to do lots of evals and prompt tuning when you switch models. imagine what happens when you optimize your agent skills to the current model, and new model starts breaking. you would need to have versioning for your skills, serving different skills based on the model while you do A/B testing

> Not trivial, you would need to do lots of evals and prompt tuning when you switch models.

Couldn’t we just train smaller models to “translate” what the harness user wants to what the worker model expects? I mean, if models understand caveman, it seems like just a small stretch

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by glimshe »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #561
glimshe wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not, but I think the investors care more about users and subscriptions than profits at this point.

That’s the old model for sure but we’ve never seen this much investment this rapidly. They have to be getting cold feet by now. Hence anthropic going public. If they had a strategy for getting in the black AND longterm viability I feel like we’d see them roll private longer. But instead we’re seeing all the signs of “grow, exit, let the next dude figure it out.”

I completely agree. I was just pointing out the current expectations and behavior.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Matl »

meowface wrote: post #313
SXX wrote: post #289

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Wasnt it Anthropic marketing their models as very very smart and dangerous?

I can't roll my eyes hard enough at all the people who say this shit about Anthropic every day. I know I'll get downvoted. I know it's lame to complain about future downvotes. I don't care anymore. Anthropic was correct in their assessment and early warning of Mythos's capabilities, and they did this rollout pretty well. They were not hype marketing. They were being genuinely cautious and honest. The Trump admin was…

> Anthropic was correct in their assessment and early warning of Mythos's capabilities, and they did this rollout pretty well. They were not hype marketing. They were being genuinely cautious and honest.

So what prevented them from putting in the sort of safeguards they ended up putting in without hyping it for months prior as being so good, it's too dangerous?

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