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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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They asked Claude how to hide the Epstein files data that it found, so that even Claude and Mythos couldn't straight-up verify that Trump is a paedophile.

It took a lot of doing, but they finally managed it, so the plebs get to play with the toys again

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

This. I have been using anthropic and codex subs, on max. All this changed in June. We are clearly entering an era where we cannot rely on American models. As a solo developer I value reliability over performance. I cannot pay hundred of $, plus a lot of my private time figuring out how to properly use this technology, for it to be taken away within hours. On top of that, the intelligence is being dialed down. Sonet…

AI tech is clearly a Red Queen's Race[0]. In the long-term, whoever can run the fastest the longest will win. Adverse action that doesn't materially impact the rate of execution has little effect on this outcome except to the extent it reduces the rate of execution of competitors. Historically, American business is exceptional at executing this type of game and patient when it comes to making it pay for itself.

The AI model people choose today has no bearing on the ultimate trajectory of the competition. Both the US and China understand this. EU simply can't move quick enough to be competitive in this type of game, which I think they also recognize.

Everyone is betting that the model you use will be a Hobson's Choice[1] over a long enough time horizon. They are likely correct.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen%27s_race

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

Europe seems to be going through an identity crisis lately, and i hope this sentiment doesn't continue. Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US.

I mean, this is not necessarily a problem for the EU. Some might say it's a goal.

The USA is far more dangerous a "friend" than China is an acquaintance. China has not been threatening military annexation, China does not randomly start trade (or real) wars. China doesn't just turn away from international commitments.

Bottom line: China is a far better international partner than the USA.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

Europe seems to be going through an identity crisis lately, and i hope this sentiment doesn't continue. Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US.

> Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer

China should be dealt with as a normal country. There's no need for undue anxiety there.

EU as a trade block should exercise reciprocity and protect its own interests accordingly though.

As for LLMs, I see no issue in using Chinese models. With the talk of digital sovereignty, you can run open source models on EU datacenters without necessarily having to spend the money to train them.

> isolate the EU from the US.

That is not a bad thing. In fact, I hope this separation grows stronger.

It was about time European countries lifted themselves from the US shadow.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

> as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! It is interesting to hear a European exclaim they would rather depend on a selection of models from companies in China with concomitant strings attached, rather than be dependent on a selection of models from companies in America. Isn't…

Chinese models cost a fraction of the price, and as someone who has been using DeepSeek and MiMo, they are nothing short of excellent.

In terms of cost-benefit, they are already the best models I could find.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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You can find a source for it being used here [1] though parent is misrepresenting it either on purpose or by lacking understanding, I stand to my point above, the timeline is 1. the US used it, in venezuela then to prepare Iran 2. it became public through journals reporting it, but they didn't really hide from it afterwards and told explicitely what and who they used, naming anthropic 3. Diego (the CEO) answered by s…

Thanks for the break down. I somehow missed the 2nd point. Crazy that they just used an LLM like that.

At the time they needed a scapegoat to explain why they bombed a school so I guess they thought it was the lesser problem

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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I mean, they did eventually get rid of the Danes.

That involved a rather genocidal approach in 1065 - killing everyone related to, or doing business with the Vikings. This tends to get downplayed by historians. And when the Vikings/Norsemen came back for revenge in 1066, King Harold 2nd managed to kill off the Viking force at Stamford Bridge, but was too exhausted when William invaded down south (being defeated at Hastings). 300-ish miles is a short drive by car, bu…

Oh I know, it was ugly. The OP just phased it like the brits were still paying tribute to the Danes.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#558

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe seems to be going through an identity crisis lately, and i hope this sentiment doesn't continue. Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US.

Europe may face technological and economic challenges, but one thing it isn't suffering is 'an identity' crisis - except in the daydreams of right wing propagandists. The EU's identity is represented in its charter and the various treaties behind it. > Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US There are sound reasons to avoid reliance on China, b…

Also, don't forget how much they are medeling with the EU politics. Here in Spain the ultra right wing are following the thrump playbook step by step. Now I can't prove this, but with our current government standing up to both the US and Israel, there is a feeling that a bunch of money and "think tank" guidance is happening.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#559

I just finished reading Incorruptible and a central theme (Anthropic is a case study) is that trust is singularly the most important currency a business has. The past few weeks have done wonders for Anthropic’s marketing but just as much if not more damage to the trust factor. Businesses will continue to use Anthropic because it’s the default and accessible where it matters (AWS, Azure, GCP, Databricks, Snowflake, et…

There is no reason to have less trust in Anthropic. It's not clear they did anything wrong. It's more likely the White House simply tied itself in knots, consistent with the last year and a half of chaos from them.

It’s the thousand cuts problem. Look at the stories over the past couple of weeks: silent downgrades that they then walked back, billing errors with claude code, highly sensitive classifiers that made it impossible to do simple things (I asked a few botany questions and my very long chat got lobotomized), and several more. The ban is only part of it. It’s the whole rollout and the fact that it won’t be available in subscriptions in a week or two.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe seems to be going through an identity crisis lately, and i hope this sentiment doesn't continue. Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US.

I mean, this is not necessarily a problem for the EU. Some might say it's a goal. The USA is far more dangerous a "friend" than China is an acquaintance. China has not been threatening military annexation, China does not randomly start trade (or real) wars. China doesn't just turn away from international commitments. Bottom line: China is a far better international partner than the USA.

> China has not been threatening military annexation

Maybe not in Europe, but ask their Asian neighbors.

> The USA is far more dangerous a "friend" than China is an acquaintance.

That's true and will continue to be true for 2.5 more years. European countries too have had bad leaders (like Germany), but have recovered. So too will the US.

> China is a far better international partner than the USA.

China is not a democracy and does not share western values.

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