Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

Post by andai » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 12:53 PM UTC

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All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

Not the EU should build one but companies from the EU!!! We need to stop relying on the Brussel bureaucrats. China is not building models. US is not building models. Deepseek is doing and Anthropic!

Post by Der_Einzige » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:06 PM UTC

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If Anthropic themselves say competition is 10 months behind, it's probably 5 or less. And you seem to think "no one uses" DeepSeek's v4, z.AI's GLM 5.2 or Xiaomi's MiMo 2.5 from their official APIs when they probably dwarf Anthropic's usage and are widening the gap due to conquering a chunk of Western market too. I know it's hard for some to comprehend there's an entire Eastern hemisphere in the globe with billions o…

Because claude subscription tokens are cheaper than deepseek and friends. You have whole industry of people reselling Claude subscriptions in China. Can you comprehend than Anthropic is winning because is both cheap(subscriptions) and better SOTA. People are cheering China providers when I reality they would rugpull open weights the moment they are competive. China models are trash that why they are giving them away…

Post by dgellow » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:14 PM UTC

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It isn't distillation that gave GLM 5.2 it's jump in performance. To quote Pat Toulme: There’s a big misconception about how GLM 5.2 was trained. Yes, they distilled Claude and GPT 5.5 — but distillation is not how they matched Opus quality. Distillation only fixed the cold start problem in RL. RLing an agentic coding model isn’t rocket science. In simplified terms: 1. RL needs trajectories — rollouts where the model…

Yes but in an equilibrium steady state, compute and data advantages are all you need to first order. China does not yet have a compute advantage. RL is indeed the magic sauce for coding agents but the bottleneck for how much progress you can make, for both the US and China, is compute. The US at least for the next few years has a clear advantage here.

Post by Aurornis » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:14 PM UTC

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> The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. The switching costs of changing LLM providers is as low as it gets. All the individuals and startups I know try different models all of the time, even down to the level of choosing which provider to use based on the task. Bigger companies move slower but only beca…

For real production I find the switching cost is not as trivial as you portray. Even going to a new model version in the same model family, say GPT-4o to GPT-5.2, a transition I just finished on a not too complicated application, requires extensive retesting and tweaking of prompts, guardrails and parameters.

Post by lmf4lol » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:14 PM UTC

andai wrote: post #511

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Not the EU should build one but companies from the EU!!! We need to stop relying on the Brussel bureaucrats. China is not building models. US is not building models. Deepseek is doing and Anthropic!

I think there's a lot of government funding for it in China though?