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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by brazukadev »

brailsafe wrote: post #264
Der_Einzige wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is nonsense. The gap between Chinese models and American frontier models is estimated at 10 months by Anthropic themselves, and it's growing. China has no flywheel for long-form agentic traces like Claude Code and its telemetry over its userbase (no one uses the Chinese harnesses yet). Most Chinese models are forced to price themselves significantly below cost to compete with the huge demand for bootleg claude t…

> is estimated at 10 months by Anthropic themselves, and it's growing. How is this different than any business with something to lose saying a competitor isn't as good? Not saying it's false, but it would seem to me that it's more important how customers feel about the issue.

Didn't Elon Musk said the same or even worse about BYD? He isn't laughing anymore tho.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by resonious »

midasz wrote: post #359
lelanthran wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is. If you make money from doing anything like "produce software with as little human involvement as possible", then sure, you need SOTA models. In that case, though, the value you add is very little and you probably don't…

You also don't really need LLM's, we still have software engineers too. Everyone is focusing so heavily on the speed gain producing code, but in my experience clients of established products aren't really waiting for massive changes and gigantic features to be added. We aren't taking the time to think things through anymore.

I have clients waiting for very gigantic features and the agent harnesses are a godsend.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jitl »

stavarotti wrote: post #55

I just finished reading Incorruptible and a central theme (Anthropic is a case study) is that trust is singularly the most important currency a business has. The past few weeks have done wonders for Anthropic’s marketing but just as much if not more damage to the trust factor. Businesses will continue to use Anthropic because it’s the default and accessible where it matters (AWS, Azure, GCP, Databricks, Snowflake, et…

it’s still significantly far ahead of openai. gpt 5.6 looks like “better 5.5”. fable does not feel like better opus 4.8.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by lmf4lol »

reacharavindh wrote: post #332
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

Not the EU should build one but companies from the EU!!! We need to stop relying on the Brussel bureaucrats. China is not building models. US is not building models. Deepseek is doing and Anthropic!

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by sometimelurker »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #154

When is Google coming out with an equivalent Gemini model?

I think googles been putting more of their money into super long context stuff, not powerful coding stuff. they've got 10million token windows for some internal stuff (Gemini 1.5 Pro Test), more research says meta is also in on the long context game (Llama 4 Scout)

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by aspenmartin »

zamalek wrote: post #157
villish wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a little too later for export controls. Chinese models have made massive gains through legitimate research but also being trained on billions of tokens from Claude/GPT. The politicians have no idea how to stop that from happening so they pull the only lever they know.

Also, don't forget that we're only here because the clown-in-chief cut them off from GPUs - forcing them to make do with inferior hardware (and hence superior ideas). I have no doubt that any controls would only make China stronger.

Its like any other sanction, its designed to slow not stop

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jitl »

skeledrew wrote: post #288

Can't do anything else with GLM 5.2 being widely available and advertised as "Mythos-like", and even Japan dropping a credible model. Actually it would only hurt to keep them in lockdown.

> even Japan dropping a credible model

if fugu/fugu ultra was good, why aren’t we hearing about how good it is? seems super slow and expensive, and everyone i’ve talked to who tried it gave up

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jitl »

jb_briant wrote: post #328

I struggle to imagine where anthropic is going with sub users... Fable 5 might not be accessible for sub in the future despite their "best effort". And 5.6-sol is as expensive as 5.5, so highly probable to be kept in sub. So what's the plan? Hoping people stay on ClaudeCode because Sonnet 5 while Codex offers 5.6-sol to subsription peasants? Seems risky

the plan is to make money by charging a premium for the best product on the market instead of giving it away for free.
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