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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by glimshe »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #400
seviu wrote: post #361

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This. I have been using anthropic and codex subs, on max. All this changed in June. We are clearly entering an era where we cannot rely on American models. As a solo developer I value reliability over performance. I cannot pay hundred of $, plus a lot of my private time figuring out how to properly use this technology, for it to be taken away within hours. On top of that, the intelligence is being dialed down. Sonet…

I feel like I see this comment every few months and yet in between people keep talking about all of the functionality they’re getting out of anthropic’s offerings. It doesn’t seem to me that people are willing to give up the “shackles” as it were and we’re just going to wind up with what we’re fearing here. On top of that, local models are just not turnkey enough for the average person yet (go ahead and drop somebody…

The reason Anthropic gets away with all of that is that Claude revenues are increasing with no end in sight. People write these entitled rants and silently go back to Anthropic and OpenAI like obedient puppies.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jefftk »

sroussey wrote: post #272
siva7 wrote: post #270

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So fable will jump more often to Opus than it already did on original release? Working with fable felt like having to constantly fight against your work tool. Frustrating. Now they're making it even more frustrating.

Donald Trump named David Sacks the White House AI and crypto czar. I guess you know whom to thank.

Sacks has been out since March

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

Oh come now. Fable was available for less than a week before it was pulled, not enough time to build a business critical function. The government isn't going to pull a model that has been out for a substantial length of time. Or do you also avoid using US-developed encryption?

(Okay, I can't predict what crazy crap this particular administration is going to do, but that goes for anything, well beyond AI. I think it's about as likely that they would restrict access to Opus as restrict exporting iPhones, or bomb Greenland, or whatever.)

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by sscaryterry »

dboreham wrote: post #113
cjbgkagh wrote: post #101

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I wonder if the people getting 10x productivity gains are spending less time on HN and more time tending to their agents. Personally I now spend so much time productively arguing with agents that it feels like an utter waste of effort arguing with humans, if people can't see the value in LLMs by now I'm not sure what I could say to change their minds.

Definitely enjoying the lack of eye-rolling, being asked to explain obvious things multiple times, and stopping things being done for resume-stuffing reasons.

Exactly, no ego (I know I'm anthropomorphizing)

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by knollimar »

aenis wrote: post #301
qingcharles wrote: post #244

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Yeah, this seems a bit Scrooge-y after all the trouble which was essentially of their own making. I was expecting them to come back with a better deal as an apology, not a worse one.

I assume what they saw during the first coming of Fable gave them pause. Lots of people I know were using it non stop to the point of serious sleep deprivation. I managed to burn 6k in 3 days on it, and was myself using it from the minute it landed till the minute it was shut off. (Yes yes, I know, I am just saying there were stupid people like me swarming the available capacity)

Would you be doing that without the FOMO?

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by throwaway676712 »

pokot0 wrote: post #449
reacharavindh wrote: post #332

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All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

Isn't building a 90% frontier model relatively cheap for EU? I feel like EU could start a company, start from available open weight models, feed 2bln a year into it (1% of the EU budget) and make a compelling almost SOTA model for the EU market. This company could partner with datacenter providers and sell it hosted in the EU or somewhere else with EU protection terms. The budget for this company would easily double…

Europeans are risk averse and don't have access to that many deep pocketed risk-taking VCs. On top of that the US is poaching all the talent since most EU firms won't or can't match the salaries offered in the US to AI researchers.

This may change in the future as AI gets more commoditized and the current US admin keeps shooting itself in the foot but they are still very far ahead right now

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by throwaway676712 »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #431
VeejayRampay wrote: post #425

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capital and talent is the same in this context there's no shortage of talent in Europe or France, it's just an issue of available capital

What I meant was top talent. US is still the top destination for top AI talent in general

A large contingent of the top AI people is French, the Mistral founders worked at Meta and Google before coming back to France. The real issue is capital, French salaries are shit

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by cindyllm »

throwaway676712 wrote: post #456
pokot0 wrote: post #449

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Isn't building a 90% frontier model relatively cheap for EU? I feel like EU could start a company, start from available open weight models, feed 2bln a year into it (1% of the EU budget) and make a compelling almost SOTA model for the EU market. This company could partner with datacenter providers and sell it hosted in the EU or somewhere else with EU protection terms. The budget for this company would easily double…

Europeans are risk averse and don't have access to that many deep pocketed risk-taking VCs. On top of that the US is poaching all the talent since most EU firms won't or can't match the salaries offered in the US to AI researchers. This may change in the future as AI gets more commoditized and the current US admin keeps shooting itself in the foot but they are still very far ahead right now

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jefftk »

artisin wrote: post #224

Silly me for hoping they'd actually honor their original 14-day promise. Per their latest blog post, they've generously slashed the timeline to 7 days, but wait there's more! It's now limited to 50% of your weekly usage: > Fable 5 will be available starting tomorrow, Wednesday, July 1, to users globally... Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available v…

We lost ten days of the original plan (June 13th through 22nd) and got seven days (July 1st through 7th). You're not counting the portion of the original 14 days we already got.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by aenis »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #154

When is Google coming out with an equivalent Gemini model?

Indeed when they are coming out with a model that is, say, gpt 5.5 or opus 4.8 grade. Gemini currently does not compete in the same class. I wonder what do they use internall at google. Surely not 3.5.
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