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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by hodgehog11 »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

You should not build a business-critical function to rely on a particular proprietary LLM stack period, especially with so many sensible competitors in place now. It's insane to me that this needs to be said.

The SOTA frontier models have value elsewhere, not monetarily perhaps, but certainly per user. Quite a few cool things have come out of that brief Fable window. There should be more.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Sammi »

pmontra wrote: post #229
Sammi wrote: post #45

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I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

I don't know if you write software for your own products or if you code for your customers. Anyway, are you going to compete on the speed of your code writing AI or on deploying the features your customers need? One useful feature is better than a hundred ones nobody really care about. And a good relationship with customers is better than any feature. Example. Yesterday I listened the technical lead of a customer of…

I'm making a micro SaaS product. Code quality and code production speed are actually both super important. I don't have the time for non-SOTA model output.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by cromka »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #271
yeeetz wrote: post #263

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they might as well not released it at all, what's the point of this theater and artificial scarcity

No idea. But I will switch to OpenAI if they release their Sol model on a subscription. And if neither of them do, I will switch to GLM 5.2.

It will likely be GLM 5.3 by then

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by IshKebab »

nickv wrote: post #83

I bet you that nothing changed with how Fable 5 is run. "Anthropic has agreed to proactively detect and address security risks associated with the models" LOL, this was already happening. This clown car administration just keeps making shit up and then backpedalling in a way that just leaves everything worse.

I expect they just increased the sensitivity of their existing filter. They probably intend to gradually lower it over time, or perhaps introduct Fable 5.1 with less filtering.

It's pretty clear that they didn't want this anyway, despite what the conspiracy theorists want to believe.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by lelanthran »

Sammi wrote: post #368
lelanthran wrote: post #329

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> I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is. If you make money from doing anything like "produce software with as little human involvement as possible", then sure, you need SOTA models. In that case, though, the value you add is very little and you probably don't…

I'm the only dev. I simply don't have time for dealing with the code from non-SOTA models. I'm doing all I can to keep this business afloat.

> I'm the only dev. I simply don't have time for dealing with the code from non-SOTA models. I'm doing all I can to keep this business afloat.

It sounds that your business is selling completely agent-coded products. I don't know how long that will be viable, or even if it is right now.

In my part of the world, I am completely unable to sell completely agent-coded products, so even a SOTA model is useless. The majority of my time is spent on analysis outside of coding anyway, so when I bill it's not based on how many lines of code I've added, it's based on whether the goal of the customer is satisfied.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by hexasquid »

echelon wrote: post #230
slopinthebag wrote: post #214

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Lmao. Have more respect for your elders, who wrote all the code that your ai psychosis is fuelled by.

Every single thing around you was pioneered by people who are dead and forgotten. From the materials science of the clothes you wear, to the very language you speak. Get over yourself. We're all ephemeral, dead and recycled in the blink of an eye. Our species doesn't even clock on the geologic timespan. If you think your code (or any of your artifacts or possessions) matter beyond their immediate utility, you're mist…

Dr Manhattan

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Sammi »

cedws wrote: post #111
Sammi wrote: post #45

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I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

This thinking that every task must be stuffed into the most 'advanced' (expensive) model out there is idiotic, and it's not only you unfortunately. At $JOB I have warned higher ups we should try to keep our expenditure under control, educate people that document slinging doesn't require Fable every time and demo the capabilities of the cheaper models, and been snubbed for it. When Fable is available once again our bi…

If I am working on something simple and want the speed boost then I'll drop the thinking to low or minimal and still get the SOTA model output quality.

But for what I work on I mostly need high or xhigh SOTA model quality output. I don't have the time to deal with anything less.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Sammi »

1over137 wrote: post #52
Sammi wrote: post #45

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I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

Nonsense. Do you buy state of the art pens, pencils, printers, paper, computers, disks, etc.? No. You buy whatever is the best value for the case at hand. That’s often not the SOTA option.

Artists that need the best quality output use the best pens and papers. Call me a coding artist then haha. But seriously I don't have the time for anything less than SOTA.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by matheusmoreira »

csomar wrote: post #319
matheusmoreira wrote: post #278

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> what do you expect I expect the strong cybersecurity model to help me strengthen the cybersecurity of my project. > not allowed to cover security topics They said it wouldn't be usable for offensive purposes. This is the opposite of that.

Is there a difference though? Fable 5, harden my openssl project. Then you use the diffs/summary to find out what the bug is for your exploit.

They're going to be verifying people's identities anyway. Why not put that bit of security theater to good use for once? I'm the author of project X, now let the model work on it, would you kindly?

This "only super special corporations get the model" nonsense is dividing society into haves and have-nots.

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