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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by solenoid0937 »

nl wrote: post #200
enraged_camel wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China’s chip industry is 7-10 years behind, and that is because they are desperate and have been throwing money at it. But technological progress requires more than just money.

Jensen said the Huawei Ascend 950 is roughly comparable to the NVidia H200[1] The H200 was released Nov 2024. Even allowing for Jensen exaggerating the risk there is no way China is 7-10 years behind. Looking at manufacturing process nodes, SMIC N+3 is a a 5nm process. 5nm was introduced by Samsung and TSMC in 2020 so at most that is 6 years. But the chips they can produce on it are roughly comparable to "roughly lev…

2-4 years is enough to lock them out of the race.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by user43928 »

nevi-me wrote: post #283

They should give us a month of access again, I feel like I didn't do enough with Fable before it got blocked. I only realised late that I had an algorithm problem that existing models were struggling with, and Fable had made progress with. It created a 14 phase plan, which I was able to execute with Opus after the restriction.

As another comment nicely put it, Anthropic generously gives subscription users 3.5 days of usage.

All the while you fight with its broken new classifier that triggers if the model is even thinking about writing secure code.

Apparently Anthropic cares nothing for their private users. This is insulting, and I hope they bankrupt after losing enterprise share to OpenAI's more efficient models.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by tekacs »

It's interesting that they will only have it on the surface through July 7, especially since GPT-5.6 will presumably come out soon as well.

Of course, it's possible that Fable remains drastically better than 5.6, but to whatever extent Fable is the true frontier (if temporarily)... it makes me wonder if external commitments on compute put a hard deadline on how long they could run Fable on the subscriptions.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by dgellow »

Schiendelman wrote: post #252
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is not how most engineers define bad code. The engineers I have worked with most definitely define "bad code" as having intrinsic limitations and/or latent defects which impact successful system functionality/operation. Indicators provided to stakeholders such as yourself which support this assessment are, but not limited to: - the system doesn't work that way - the system lacks test coverage, so changes take…

Please stop being rude to me. I'm a human being, I'm a very experienced product manager and engineer (you can google my name, I'm the only one), and the way you are behaving sucks. Everything you're saying is true, sometimes. Assume I'm still right, and that you might be able to learn something from someone else.

Googling your name brings this missing person case as the only results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Logan_Schiend...

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by 2001zhaozhao »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #243
bluepeter wrote: post #202

Fable 5 apparently can't be used for coding? (This is from Anthropic's announcement.) > After a series of productive conversations with the US government, we're redeploying the model with a new set of classifiers to target and block more cybersecurity tasks. In the near term, some routine tasks like coding and debugging will fall back to Opus 4.8. Edit: the above was from their tweet announcement at https://x.com/Ant…

> Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Here's Fable 5, the strongest model. Actually try to use it to harden your code and it turns into Opus 4.8. You have seven days to use it, and only half of that t…

At least subscription users only have to pay $700 for $1000 of extra credits.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by miki123211 »

lilytweed wrote: post #279
matheusmoreira wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea. But I will switch to OpenAI if they release their Sol model on a subscription. And if neither of them do, I will switch to GLM 5.2.

This is what I’m thinking, too. OpenAI is gaining a structural advantage purely on the basis of not being considered an enemy of the administration. Anthropic really blew it with Washington.

It doesn't look like it; similar restrictions apply to GPT-5.6 as used to apply to Fable.

I think the Fable ban happened because Anthropic was first to release a capable enough model.

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Post by dgellow »

CookieCrisp wrote: post #280
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice strawman[0], but you avoided answering my core question: Speed of what? With ad hominems and a non sequitur. How about I narrow the question with the hope it engenders a relevant response: How do LLMs increase the speed of a person understanding what needs to be done? 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

This argument feels like A: The sky is blue! B: No it's not. A: Yes, it is, please look up. B: No, you must prove it to me through reason. A: But, if you would just pretty please look up. B: No. I run a company, I've been running it for 10 years, we do alright. I'm a shitty manager. Every time I've hired developers, the business freezes. The business isn't anything super important, the main consequence of bugs is tha…

You’re just plain wrong to assume people against agentic development do not have experience with the technology

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Post by eru »

ekidd wrote: post #286
lilytweed wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I’m thinking, too. OpenAI is gaining a structural advantage purely on the basis of not being considered an enemy of the administration. Anthropic really blew it with Washington.

By "blew it with Washington" you mean "Didn't donate millions to the ballroom."

It's interesting that the fate of billions or even trillions of dollar hinges on millions of dollars of donations.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by ferrouswheel »

Sammi wrote: post #45
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

If you can't figure out what model to use your business is already dead.
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