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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by matheusmoreira »

yeeetz wrote: post #263
matheusmoreira wrote: post #243

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> Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Here's Fable 5, the strongest model. Actually try to use it to harden your code and it turns into Opus 4.8. You have seven days to use it, and only half of that t…

they might as well not released it at all, what's the point of this theater and artificial scarcity

No idea. But I will switch to OpenAI if they release their Sol model on a subscription. And if neither of them do, I will switch to GLM 5.2.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by sroussey »

siva7 wrote: post #270
matheusmoreira wrote: post #243

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> Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Here's Fable 5, the strongest model. Actually try to use it to harden your code and it turns into Opus 4.8. You have seven days to use it, and only half of that t…

So fable will jump more often to Opus than it already did on original release? Working with fable felt like having to constantly fight against your work tool. Frustrating. Now they're making it even more frustrating.

Donald Trump named David Sacks the White House AI and crypto czar. I guess you know whom to thank.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by anon7000 »

trunnell wrote: post #234
stavarotti wrote: post #55

I just finished reading Incorruptible and a central theme (Anthropic is a case study) is that trust is singularly the most important currency a business has. The past few weeks have done wonders for Anthropic’s marketing but just as much if not more damage to the trust factor. Businesses will continue to use Anthropic because it’s the default and accessible where it matters (AWS, Azure, GCP, Databricks, Snowflake, et…

There is no reason to have less trust in Anthropic. It's not clear they did anything wrong. It's more likely the White House simply tied itself in knots, consistent with the last year and a half of chaos from them.

Perception is a lot more important than reason when it comes to trust. Whether or not we like that

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by bel8 »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #260
SwellJoe wrote: post #96

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The good news (for you and most everyone other than the current leading AI companies), the gap between the SOTA and the near-frontiers is getting smaller every week or two. The leading Chinese models are only a few months behind now (GLM 5.2 tickles the tail of GPT 5.3 or 5.4 and Opus 4.6, according to benchmarks and the vibes among heavy users who've spent some time with it), where they were a couple of years behind…

This is nonsense. The gap between Chinese models and American frontier models is estimated at 10 months by Anthropic themselves, and it's growing. China has no flywheel for long-form agentic traces like Claude Code and its telemetry over its userbase (no one uses the Chinese harnesses yet). Most Chinese models are forced to price themselves significantly below cost to compete with the huge demand for bootleg claude t…

If Anthropic themselves say competition is 10 months behind, it's probably 5 or less.

And you seem to think "no one uses" DeepSeek's v4, z.AI's GLM 5.2 or Xiaomi's MiMo 2.5 from their official APIs when they probably dwarf Anthropic's usage and are widening the gap due to conquering a chunk of Western market too.

I know it's hard for some to comprehend there's an entire Eastern hemisphere in the globe with billions of people, so it's worth reminding. And some seem to think the world is basically silicon valley even.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by matheusmoreira »

siva7 wrote: post #270
matheusmoreira wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Here's Fable 5, the strongest model. Actually try to use it to harden your code and it turns into Opus 4.8. You have seven days to use it, and only half of that t…

So fable will jump more often to Opus than it already did on original release? Working with fable felt like having to constantly fight against your work tool. Frustrating. Now they're making it even more frustrating.

For reference, here's what my experience with Fable turned out to be like:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48466313

Just a code review of my own project. Downgraded to Opus 50% of the time while evaluating the critical I/O and memory safety parts, the exact thing I wanted it to do.

And now it's gonna be even worse.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by nmfisher »

baq wrote: post #258
nmfisher wrote: post #196

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From my brief window of Fable usage, speed wasn't its strong point at all. For actually building software, I'm starting to suspect a human with a dumber (but faster) model is going to get the job done quicker than Fable (and possibly even cheaper). Bug-finding and vulnerability detection is a different story.

I’d say you tried on an insufficiently complex codebase. I’ve tried on a MLOC+ and the results were excellent compared to anything else.

Not saying the results were bad - quite the opposite. But it was very slow (and if I was paying API rates, hideously expensive).

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by solenoid0937 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #275
siva7 wrote: post #270

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So fable will jump more often to Opus than it already did on original release? Working with fable felt like having to constantly fight against your work tool. Frustrating. Now they're making it even more frustrating.

For reference, here's what my experience with Fable turned out to be like: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48466313 Just a code review of my own project. Downgraded to Opus 50% of the time while evaluating the critical I/O and memory safety parts, the exact thing I wanted it to do. And now it's gonna be even worse.

I mean what do you expect when covering memory safety topics with a model that's not allowed to cover security topics? This seems totally expected. It'll be the same when 5.6 is released.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by matheusmoreira »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #277
matheusmoreira wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For reference, here's what my experience with Fable turned out to be like: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48466313 Just a code review of my own project. Downgraded to Opus 50% of the time while evaluating the critical I/O and memory safety parts, the exact thing I wanted it to do. And now it's gonna be even worse.

I mean what do you expect when covering memory safety topics with a model that's not allowed to cover security topics? This seems totally expected. It'll be the same when 5.6 is released.

> what do you expect

I expect the strong cybersecurity model to help me strengthen the cybersecurity of my project.

> not allowed to cover security topics

They said it wouldn't be usable for offensive purposes. This is the opposite of that.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by lilytweed »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #271
yeeetz wrote: post #263

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they might as well not released it at all, what's the point of this theater and artificial scarcity

No idea. But I will switch to OpenAI if they release their Sol model on a subscription. And if neither of them do, I will switch to GLM 5.2.

This is what I’m thinking, too. OpenAI is gaining a structural advantage purely on the basis of not being considered an enemy of the administration. Anthropic really blew it with Washington.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by CookieCrisp »

AdieuToLogic wrote: post #259
echelon wrote: post #241

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In the time it took you to type that, your hourly market comp went down another basis point. I am appalled none of this is clicking with you anti-AI folks. This is all so exciting -- alarming even! --, and software careers are never going to be the same. I don't know how you just metaphorically stand there and act like nothing at all is happening. We've never seen anything like this in our entire lives. Some of you a…

Nice strawman[0], but you avoided answering my core question: Speed of what? With ad hominems and a non sequitur. How about I narrow the question with the hope it engenders a relevant response: How do LLMs increase the speed of a person understanding what needs to be done? 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

This argument feels like

A: The sky is blue! B: No it's not. A: Yes, it is, please look up. B: No, you must prove it to me through reason. A: But, if you would just pretty please look up. B: No.

I run a company, I've been running it for 10 years, we do alright. I'm a shitty manager. Every time I've hired developers, the business freezes. The business isn't anything super important, the main consequence of bugs is that my family loses money. Everything has always rested on my shoulders. In theory there is some path for me to become a good manager, but I never landed on it. But now, with Claude, it's great. So far Claude has paid itself off in real profits at least 20x over, and that's with significant API usage on top of the monthly sub. I can prototype new features in an afternoon that before were on my giant list of "maybe somedays if I ever get to breathe" list. Our user experience has improved in so many ways that I knew were probably worth it, if I could just find the time. Now I can.

There are situations where yeah, it probably isn't ready yet. But, there are so many where it's amazing. Seriously, it's worth looking up.

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