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Re: Free the Icons

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Haha yeah! Mac users just buy them to look cool while they write their whatever in the coffee shop! This is definitely not a preposterous and outdated observation/joke!

Sounds like it hit a nerve to be honest

says stupid thing

"wow that's stupid"

"Hehe sounds like it hit a nerve to be honest"

Re: Free the Icons

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post #229

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In the old days, these different OS would have separate teams and all trying to work on what is best for their own products. Be it mac, iPad, iPhone or what hardware it is. The foundation may share resources, but everything else was tailor made. And that is what used to make Apple so good. The moment you try to make one size fits all you will start to make compromise. And the good old Apple would try to do things the…

Like trying to merge a bulldozer, a minivan, and a GT car. Because they all have 4 wheels and an engine.

Oh this is such a great analogy. Thank You.

Re: Free the Icons

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post #258

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Back means the previous screen. If you're in Chrome, the previous entry in the history. If you're in YouTube, the previous video. If you were previously on the main screen and you just clicked into an app, the main screen. What's confusing about it? Seems very intuitive to me, it's like CTRL+Z, it always changes what it does but the behavior is to undo the latest action.

On YouTube if enter a comment and decide i dont want to submit it after all, does back close the comment window and take me to the video, or does it take me to the previous video i viewed. If i click a link in youtube and browser opens, does clicking back take me back to YouTube? Back in the browser? Back to the previous video.?

Quirks, nonetheless, but after using the app for a few hours the logic starts to click.

To answer your questions, I'm guessing:

- Pressing Back in YouTube closes the comments so you can continue watching the video.

- If you tap a link in YouTube and it opens a browser, it'll default to an in-app browser with an X in the upper-left. If you've disabled that browser, pressing Back returns you to YouTube.

Re: Free the Icons

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post #196

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Perhaps (any of these can be true, or false): - He wasn't the only one pushing it? Lemay was described in Bloomberg as one of the key people behind Liquid Glass - The vision wasn't as bad as it turned out to be, but it was rushed because of yearly releases and Apple having nothing to present? - None of the senior leadership use the devices beyond occasionally, so they couldn't care less what's happening to the UX?

On your first point, I don't know if Lemay merely agreed to keep his job or was an enthusiast of the vision. But it is a bit worrisome, if Bloomberg is to be believed. On your second, Liquid Glass is merely the culmination of years of bad direction. Hiding essential feature on hover (notification's close icon, elapsed time on Apple Music, proxy icon, etc), poor contrast, legibility, background/foreground differentiat…

> I don't know if Lemay merely agreed to keep his job

Again: why do you keep assigning Dye God-like powers? There wasn't just Lemay. There's no end of senior designers and senior product people, Federighi and his minions etc. at Apple.

In the end we still got Liquid Glass.

> On your second, Liquid Glass is merely the culmination of years of bad direction.

Indeed. Easily hundreds of people across several platforms saw this direction. Somehow we are led to believe that all of them were against this direction, and Dye single-handedly forced all the changes through.

Re: Free the Icons

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Im an iPhone user. I want it to take as little space as possible physically and mentally, and try to use it as little as possible. My experience has been that it was easy learning to use it by just bumbling around. That is, until two weeks ago when I got my new iPhone. I had to, the old one couldnt upgrade to the newest iOS. I feel ashamed to admit, that I had one or two days of extreme frustration just learning to d…

This seems exaggerated. I recently moved to iOS 26 from iOS 16. They work exactly the same in my experience. Except for the fact that you can’t scrub on the native video player by swiping anywhere, you now have to use the time-bar. Drives me nuts.

I dont know what to say. I relate a personal experience. Yours was different. Good for you.

My problem was not using apps, but the other stuff. I did as I was used to, stubbornly bumbling around, feeling sure I would run into the solution. But I never did. I had to look up instructions, several times. That was never necessary with my old iPhone.

Re: Free the Icons

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post #59

It's still a bit jarring to me to see how far Apple embraced form over function with iOS and subsequently macOS. I remember reading the Human Interface Guidelines from the late Mac OS 9/early Mac OS X days and being taken aback by the level of detail and thought that went into those interfaces. Don't get me wrong, some things made no sense (brushed metal was... a choice) but there was a certain level of polish that I…

The abandonment of their own guidelines is sad. Great post below visually outlines how they've totally funked macos drop downs.

Too many icons you can't focus, inconsistent color, icons are unclear, repeated, or have 10 versions of an icon to 'add new folder' or other actions across their own apps.

at least iOS has great features. Surfacing them though.. I regularly learn new ones from tiktok. For instance i just learned about the motion sickness dots.

https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/

Re: Free the Icons

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Sounds like it hit a nerve to be honest

I have both a Windows and a Mac. What triggers me isn't people insulting Apple products, but immature, gaming-forum ass, console warring. People need to grow up.

It was GP who came up with the gaming forum-ads reply! :) As a straw man, super defensive in response to a mild comment.

Re: Free the Icons

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post #258

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Back means the previous screen. If you're in Chrome, the previous entry in the history. If you're in YouTube, the previous video. If you were previously on the main screen and you just clicked into an app, the main screen. What's confusing about it? Seems very intuitive to me, it's like CTRL+Z, it always changes what it does but the behavior is to undo the latest action.

On YouTube if enter a comment and decide i dont want to submit it after all, does back close the comment window and take me to the video, or does it take me to the previous video i viewed. If i click a link in youtube and browser opens, does clicking back take me back to YouTube? Back in the browser? Back to the previous video.?

As much as you're trying to find a way to prove it's complicated, it rollbacks your previous action. Extremely simple and intuitive.

Re: Free the Icons

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post #56
post #26

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For the last 25+ years I've been hearing folks say: "why not find a way". But then not suggest anything more than that obvious answer. Please suggest an actual path forward, an actual plan that is more than just "figure it out". And the plan needs to address at least 1/2 of the points I made above. It's a "Hard Problem". The answer needs lots of time, likely money and at least two humans with strong drive to fix the…

We've managed to make the entire corpus of open source software but the thing that's a "Hard Problem" that nobody can find a way to do is making the icons look good? It's almost like it's not a technical challenge, it's that getting good looking icons would require a unified userbase, and Apple has that but Linux does not.

Also, more importantly IMO, the corpus of open source and free software leans _hard_ towards things _programmers_ find interesting/useful.

The further from “I use this everyday to program” you get - the less concentrated/competitive open source and free software solutions are.

All programmers are programmers (this is almost as close to a tautology as you can get). Finding programmers who will write programs as an unpaid hobby to improve their SDLC experience when they program is substantially easier than finding competent UI/UX/icon designers who will do the same. The ecosystem of software under their icons is entirely inaccessible to them - the source being “free” or “open” is irrelevant to them, they can’t program so they can’t modify the system in the same way a programmer can.

My spicy take on this is that the free and open source software ecosystems have failed to deliver on their goals in any meaningful way for non technical people. The world around programs has gotten _objectively worse_ for the common man while the corpus of free and open source software has grown. The world runs on OSS and yet the world’s data is all owned by SaaS companies. Everyone has lost agency over their digital lives but at least we have Automake and emacs.

Re: Free the Icons

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post #264

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On your first point, I don't know if Lemay merely agreed to keep his job or was an enthusiast of the vision. But it is a bit worrisome, if Bloomberg is to be believed. On your second, Liquid Glass is merely the culmination of years of bad direction. Hiding essential feature on hover (notification's close icon, elapsed time on Apple Music, proxy icon, etc), poor contrast, legibility, background/foreground differentiat…

> I don't know if Lemay merely agreed to keep his job Again: why do you keep assigning Dye God-like powers? There wasn't just Lemay. There's no end of senior designers and senior product people, Federighi and his minions etc. at Apple. In the end we still got Liquid Glass. > On your second, Liquid Glass is merely the culmination of years of bad direction. Indeed. Easily hundreds of people across several platforms saw…

> why do you keep assigning Dye God-like powers?

He was VP of Design. That's as close to being design-god at Apple as you can get.

> Somehow we are led to believe that all of them were against this direction, and Dye single-handedly forced all the changes through.

I don't think that's a widely held belief. What's puzzling and scary to me is how so many people either stayed silent, failed to disagree or quit. How a deeply entrenched design culture can so easily crumble.

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