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Re: Free the Icons

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Post by vintagedave »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #178
vintagedave wrote: post #125

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> There's so little joy and happiness left in computing Preach it! https://daveon.design/creating-joy-in-the-user-experience.ht...

Great article -but the image has issues with Safari (invisible drag corner), and iOS (a mess). I have found that we need to be very, very careful, when making the UI more "fun." Things like rounded affordances, short transition animations, easy-to-understand elements, etc., are good. They remove the "friction." However, cute icons, unprompted animations, and overuse of whitespace for the sake of design aesthetics, ca…

Thanks, very nice of you to note that, and I'll fix. The SSG behind it has some updates coming to improve mobile rendering for sidenotes etc already, will add more :)

Drag corner... hmm... seems a change in recent browsers - that has not changed in the website implementation since it worked in all three (FireFox, Chrome, Safari.) And I may have to break my no-Javascript ethos to get it working again!

Re: Free the Icons

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Post by amelius »

skydhash wrote: post #189
amelius wrote: post #175

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Ok, but how would you feel if the dashboard of your car had images that made it look like a child's toy? Or your watch? You've maybe grown accustomed to it on your smartphone, but it has little to do with great taste (imho).

A physical thing has more degree of freedom to differentiate things. Loke distance and form. So much that you can be blind and still be able to use them. A conputer interface does not have those. You need to track the cursor and then decide how you want to move it. There’s no muscle memory. And no tactile perception. What’s left is visual differentiation and it should be slightly exaggerated.

> and it should be slightly exaggerated

The problem is that you can go too far here, and it is in fact reminding me of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

Re: Free the Icons

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Post by internet2000 »

dsego wrote: post #150
wett wrote: post #134

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I just graduated college and I’ve never heard of this. Can’t find anything about it online either. You can get a functional Apple Watch on Facebook for 50-100 bucks. So not much of a signal for status. We have much sillier, trendier accessories to choose from :)

Might be just a certain demographic then, there was a viral tiktok with athletes wearing dead apple watches.

Are you not in the United States?

Re: Free the Icons

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Post by WillAdams »

toyg wrote: post #171
WillAdams wrote: post #66

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The thing which kills me, is that with entirety of the State of California's Gazetteer to pull from, Apple didn't pull a page from Android and use an alphabetically ordered naming scheme so that folks could determine ordering of versions.

Codenames are meant to tickle the pride of this or that manager, not be useful to customers.

They also need to function as workable identifiers, and their being confusing works against folks.

Re: Free the Icons

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Post by matsemann »

jaffa2 wrote: post #168
matsemann wrote: post #142

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Yeah, for a decade now it's been a UX disaster. It "works", because so many people are used to it, but look at a new user trying to navigate iOS, it's bonkers. Swiping from random directions achieves different things (and how would you even know you can?). The home button has like 11 different functions depending on how you press it and when.

1. Ive been using apple iphone since 2010 and i jave an iphone air right now. I still dont know how/why/when i seem to accidentally call the AI thing where the side of my acreen go all all funny. Ive never done it intentionally and i dont know how but every so often i trigger it. 2. Can apple ‘regress’ the camera app so the it is easy to use. The interface is a disaster of mixed inputs and over loaded widgets. Theres…

About (2), it reminds me of a video I saw once of someone trying to take a picture at a sport event, or how my parents try to do it. Hold the phone with an awkward grip to point it towards what you want, with one hand free. Accidentally touch the edge of the screen and click something with the gripping hand. Then try to zoom in with your free hand, but one finger hits the screen first due to the angle of the phone so you do a swipe instead and go to selfie mode. Swipe fervently to get back. Try again, click screen to focus. But just as you click a notification pops up and you press it.

Re: Free the Icons

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Post by troupo »

tambourine_man wrote: post #186
troupo wrote: post #89

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How do you think thay worked? Alan Dye alome came up with, designed and somehow forced Liquid Glass into every platform? Lemay, who was his second in command had nothing to do with it? It was Alan Dye single-handedly doing it?

I am very, very curious how he reached, stayed that long at the top of the org chart and convinced so many people that this was a good direction to take. If I were at Apple's leadership I'd consider that a major blindspot and focus deeply on fixing it.

Perhaps (any of these can be true, or false):

- He wasn't the only one pushing it? Lemay was described in Bloomberg as one of the key people behind Liquid Glass

- The vision wasn't as bad as it turned out to be, but it was rushed because of yearly releases and Apple having nothing to present?

- None of the senior leadership use the devices beyond occasionally, so they couldn't care less what's happening to the UX?

Re: Free the Icons

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Post by soulofmischief »

3dGrabber wrote: post #117
soulofmischief wrote: post #57

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Some differentiation between elements must be sacrificed in order to build shared UX patterns between them. I think we can definitely go too far in either direction. An example of a nice compromise would be the macOS menu bar. Most status icons are monotone, which allows the ones with meaningful color differentiation to shine through without being drowned in the noise or increasing user fatigue.

> user fatigue Citation needed. What is user fatigue? Can it be empirically measured? Fatigued by what? Too much color? Lack of shape? Too much contrast? Lack of contrast? When is the last time you were "fatigued" by icons? Without hard facts the expression is just a wishy-washy way to promote a personal taste.

I'm speaking in the capacity of a professional designer and developer, using industry terminology that any other professional will recognize. Please let the adults talk.

Re: Free the Icons

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Post by shresthjain »

Don't know if this is what you want to do or not, but you can actually change app icons for Applications however you like if you have the alternate that you want it to be. I'll tell you how

Applications Folder (in Finder) -> Right-click on the target app -> Get Info -> Drag-and-drop the intended icon file to the top-left corner where the original icon is present.

Ik it's just a way to customise and not something official but your Mac looks the way you want it to.

Re: Free the Icons

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Post by pocketsand »

rafram wrote: post #160
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #128

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> $899 it was through the education store Comparing a subsidised computer for children to one that isn't isn't exactly a fair comparison, is it? > No fan, You know why Macbooks don't need a fan? It's because they aren't powerful enough to draw heat in the first place. A month ago, for the same price as a $1700 Macbook Pro (before the recent increase) I got a laptop with a CPU that is literally twice as fast on parell…

Apple education store isn't subsidized or "for children."

A strange retort. "Yeah well, your CHILD'S COMPUTER is better, but that's for CHILDREN. We're talking adult computers here!"

Re: Free the Icons

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Post by draw_down »

shresthjain wrote: post #198

Don't know if this is what you want to do or not, but you can actually change app icons for Applications however you like if you have the alternate that you want it to be. I'll tell you how Applications Folder (in Finder) -> Right-click on the target app -> Get Info -> Drag-and-drop the intended icon file to the top-left corner where the original icon is present. Ik it's just a way to customise and not something offi…

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