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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by rogerrogerr »

jasondigitized wrote: post #126
parodysbird wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a great recipe for going out of business.

Any competitive business will accept this risk if it gives them any type of edge no matter the duration of that edge. This is no different that using an exotic raw material.

Eh, this isn’t really how businesses operate. How many businesses refuse to give devs large-spec machines? That’s very clear positive ROI.

I think it’s excessively charitable to assume businesses are uber-competent ROI-chasers. The expense people are eventually going to win on AI too, this blip of unrestricted AI budgets will be gone soon.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by well_ackshually »

boc wrote: post #86
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

> You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Yes 1000%, please, all my European competition please don't use mythos whatever you do it's total USA trash and the Chinese models work better anyway.

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by recursivegirth »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

Better to fix it now than tomorrow.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by musha68k »

andy99 wrote: post #48
petcat wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody cares about this temporary "ban" by the US government. If anything it only increased the mystique of the two models. I think Europe and Canada are just happy not to be frozen out of AI access completely at this point.

All the discussion this week have been about GLM, Qwen, etc. Both over 1000 comments in the last couple days. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48709670 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48721903 Of course Anthropic is still relevant, but people have realized they’re not special, and between this and the ID verification thing, they’ve given up a ton of their relevance vs a month ago.

As everyone knows, Kool-Aid is also just mostly water.

I work in AI / infrastructure and I have never seen as much interest towards investing into sovereignty by actual deciders. Thankfully, at this point I can't see any flip-flopping / change of messaging stopping that train.

In CA/EU over the last ~15 years, one used to be perceived as a bit of a "weird systems person" by just proposing alternatives to the big hyperscalers.

So the Trump administration, hands-down, has been the greatest ally here.

In tandem, I was hoping Anthropic would be keeping "dangerously capable" models banned from "evil Chinese distillers" for as long as possible.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by sieabahlpark »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by vhantz »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #101
K0balt wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This x 10 . I don’t understand how people are saying you can’t use LLMs to get crazy productivity gains. If you can’t write quality code with LLMs at ludicrous speed, you’re holding it wrong. You will have occasional bad days and regressions. But overall you’re still going to be able to 4x your progress.

I wonder if the people getting 10x productivity gains are spending less time on HN and more time tending to their agents. Personally I now spend so much time productively arguing with agents that it feels like an utter waste of effort arguing with humans, if people can't see the value in LLMs by now I'm not sure what I could say to change their minds.

We must then assume you're not getting those 10x gains

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by sv123 »

softwaredoug wrote: post #123

The real problem in all this is lack of predictability. The White House is just making it up as it goes along. Investors, customers don’t know what the process is and can’t plan. In the end, we need actual laws that tell the market what kinds of models get paused / analyzed, how long that pause can be, etc. Otherwise there’s no standard and it will be easily abused and prevent investment in US AI companies.

Just wait till Anthropic and OpenAI are public, the admin is going to be manipulating the shit out of those with model approvals and denials.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by cjbgkagh »

vhantz wrote: post #136
cjbgkagh wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if the people getting 10x productivity gains are spending less time on HN and more time tending to their agents. Personally I now spend so much time productively arguing with agents that it feels like an utter waste of effort arguing with humans, if people can't see the value in LLMs by now I'm not sure what I could say to change their minds.

We must then assume you're not getting those 10x gains

Less time, not zero time. I still argue with humans for sentimental reasons.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by satvikpendem »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

Nah, people will still pay, as many if not most consumers truly do have a short memory. And like other comments say, imagine everyone is using Fable and you are not, you will quickly fall behind, per the Red Queen hypothesis.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by toddmorey »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

I predict we all be using the hell out of fable until the next great model comes around and in two weeks we won’t be talking about the export controls anymore. We just don’t have the attention span.

Nobody should be putting loadbearing weight on Amazon or Microsoft with their ruthless monopoly ambitions, yet here we are

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