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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by catigula »

softwaredoug wrote: post #120
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

The real problem is the White House just making up the rules as it goes. No laws. No predictably for the markets. A week or so pause from seemingly legitimate cyber security concerns isn’t cause for panic. But it should be backed by laws that describe what that process should be. That would put the market at ease

There’s no optimal answer.

The reality is this is world-ending technology and absolutely nobody knows what to do or can even agree that the problem exists.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by naturalmovement »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #73
brazukadev wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that is exactly why downvote exist.

That is part of why downvotes exist. They also exist for personal attacks, off topic tangents, posts that don't make sense, trolling, advertisements, AI generated content, and other such things we don't want to see here. But "downvote for disagreement" is a legitimate use. I personally tried to tell someone that it wasn't, and I got corrected by dang.

> But "downvote for disagreement" is a legitimate use.

This made me realize it's a waste of one's time to write thoughtful, informative, educational posts only to have them buried and downvoted by man-children.

If we go by empirical evidence alone, it's a more effective use of time making Reddit-quality quips.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by softwaredoug »

The real problem in all this is lack of predictability. The White House is just making it up as it goes along. Investors, customers don’t know what the process is and can’t plan.

In the end, we need actual laws that tell the market what kinds of models get paused / analyzed, how long that pause can be, etc.

Otherwise there’s no standard and it will be easily abused and prevent investment in US AI companies.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by electriclove »

naturalmovement wrote: post #116
nlh wrote: post #5

Here's a copy of the letter that Commerce sent to Anthropic (note who it'a NOT addressed to...) Source: https://x.com/AndrewCurran_/status/2072103733715194048?s=20 ------- June 30, 2026 Tom Brown Chief Compute Officer Anthropic 548 Market Street San Francisco, CA 94104 Dear Mr. Brown: Since the issuance of my previous letters, dated June 12, 2026 and June 26, 2026, Anthropic has taken steps in close coordination with…

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Ha! But sorry, Dario has failed at this part of the job. It’s good that Tom is there and that there is plenty of other strong talent there.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by [deleted] »

nickv wrote: post #83

I bet you that nothing changed with how Fable 5 is run. "Anthropic has agreed to proactively detect and address security risks associated with the models" LOL, this was already happening. This clown car administration just keeps making shit up and then backpedalling in a way that just leaves everything worse.

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jasondigitized »

parodysbird wrote: post #63
Sammi wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

This is a great recipe for going out of business.

Any competitive business will accept this risk if it gives them any type of edge no matter the duration of that edge. This is no different that using an exotic raw material.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by [deleted] »

softwaredoug wrote: post #123

The real problem in all this is lack of predictability. The White House is just making it up as it goes along. Investors, customers don’t know what the process is and can’t plan. In the end, we need actual laws that tell the market what kinds of models get paused / analyzed, how long that pause can be, etc. Otherwise there’s no standard and it will be easily abused and prevent investment in US AI companies.

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by NortySpock »

cedws wrote: post #117
K0balt wrote: post #99

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This x 10 . I don’t understand how people are saying you can’t use LLMs to get crazy productivity gains. If you can’t write quality code with LLMs at ludicrous speed, you’re holding it wrong. You will have occasional bad days and regressions. But overall you’re still going to be able to 4x your progress.

I have plenty of experience with LLMs and use them daily but definitely wouldn't call generated code "quality code." Often looks like complete vomit.

Ok, and? You can live with that if there are more important things to deal with.

I've stared at ugly LLM code, that I had just had generated, and worked well enough for my purposes. (generally, some quick recursion into a nested python dictionary in order to dig out some property -- especially for linting or quick data analysis).

And I wanted something better, sure, something a bit more readable ...but I just needed it to work well enough to recurse through a yaml file for config file linting, not be battle-hardened against every test case.

So to deal with the mess, I shoved it in a pure function, threw a few basic sanity unit tests around it, put a comment with a disclaimer of "#this is LLM generated code, it is lightly tested, do not use it for anything truly load-bearing without a lot more tests" and I moved on to something else.

Not everything has to be bulletproof.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by naturalmovement »

electriclove wrote: post #124
naturalmovement wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Ha! But sorry, Dario has failed at this part of the job. It’s good that Tom is there and that there is plenty of other strong talent there.

Dario's job is to be a cheerleader.

He likely does not have the domain knowledge nor is authorized to be the recipient of such a letter.

And that's ok. His role is to hire others competent in export matters. It's a learning experience for them.

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